Specialised Como 5

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COMO 5



Having bought a Specialised Como 5 Ebike from Ark Cycles, Brimscombe, Stroud, Gloucestershire, at a cost of £4500, in Feb 2023. It is proving, due to its very expensive batteries very limited endurance, proving to be a major disappointment.

The bike itself being comfortable to ride, it includes such niceties as a radar, which shows dots on the display on the handlebars, indicating what traffic is behind you and automatic gears. It has proved to be useless for the Sunday rides I purchased it for, where accompanied by between 5 to 15 friends, we go off on a day long cycle rides. Stopping along the way to visit cafes and pubs and socialise with other like-minded cyclists along the way.

Taking my first Sunday ride February using the Como 5 Ebike in eco, sports and power modes - as required by the terrain. I ended up having to push the bike home for the last 5 miles, of what would have been a 27-mile ride, after the battery bottomed out.

A battery being the most essential element of any electric bike, instead of its claimed range of 60 miles range in sports mode. The Como 5 has an actual range of around 28 – 32 miles using sports mode on very flat terrain. Using all the modes to suit the terrain, I get 20 – 28 miles. The very hungry Power mode - 7miles

The last 20% of the battery depleting faster than water going down a drain. 5% having been reserved to ensure these batteries don’t go completely flat. The last 20% of the battery vanished in 2 to 3 miles in eco mode.

It being the last 20% of the battery that is the most relied on, especially when coming to the end of a day’s ride. This caught me short on that first Sunday ride. Having run the battery down a number of times since then. The last 20% always reacts the same. Just enough juice left to barely power the lights

Getting it home that day, not being easy, due to the automatic gears not functioning without battery power. The bike remained stuck in one of its lowest gears. Going up inclines like pushing a barrow half full of bricks uphill. Without battery power, the Como 5 proved a tough ride on any terrain other than on the level, or downhill.

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It being stated in the bike’s manual, the battery loses its capacity to hold a charge by 1.25% per month, or 15% per year, whether it’s in use or not. A battery with a 30-mile range instead of the claimed 60 it’s supposed to have, will lose its capacity twice as fast. After all, it will need to be charged twice as many times.

So, with its present capacity to hold a charge set to shrink by between 20% and 30% before this year is out. I am most certainly not prepared to pay £1000 to replace one dud with another such dud. ABSOLUTELY NOT – NO - NO - NO. That’s going to leave me with an expensive, very useless Ebike in less than a year.

Stan, the person who suggested I do this review after test riding the bike for 25 miles himself. He has calculated it will cost him considerably less for petrol, tax and insurance using his 250cc motorcycle to travel the 200 miles to and from work each week, than it would cost doing around 100 miles a week using this Ebike.

With most Ebikes in the £4.500 to £5.500 range being capable of around 70 - 90 miles in sports mode. Even a Halfords cheapy with a wheel motor and a battery on the rack, can boast better mileage than this Specialised dud. I know, because the two Halford Ebikes used on that ride back in February, were still going strong when the Como 5 conked out.

Having taken the bike back to the Arc Cycles shop, where I complained about the batteries lack of performance. I was surprised when both the mechanic and sales persons tried convincing me this was probably normal. Due the mechanic stated, to the bike having a radar and automatic gears. Having disabled the radar and the front light, (not the gears) it made little or no impression on the battery’s terrible performance.

The online Specialised Turbo Range Calculator: indicating this bike should have a range of around 60 miles in sports mode on level terrain, for a man of my size (I had reviewed and checked this before I purchased the bike) It is instead is proving to be more like one of those Laptops, which last half the time they are supposed to when powered by battery. Unlike Ebikes however, laptops can still be used while they are charging, and you don’t have to push them miles home when the battery conks out.

The mechanics attitude at Arc Cycles, indicating I should accept the poor milage for this bike as the norm. Striking me as being his usual response to complaints of this kind. It is natural to conclude Specialised bike batteries are in the main - despite being very expensive - very very poor performers.

Coincidentally, concerning batteries, I was visiting a supermarket recently when I met a friend who had just purchased a new bike for himself. This one having a Bosch motor and Bosch batteries. He had, he informed me, already done 45 miles on a full charge, with the display indicating the battery was capable of covering another 45 miles in sports mode.

A replacement Bosch battery for his bike, being capable of 1200 charges (not the very limited 300 charges of the fast-depleting Specialised battery) It costs £750 and is not only much cheaper and much more powerful than its Specialised counterpart. It will also over the next several years, save its owner thousands of pounds by not having to be replaced annually.

I still have an old Kalkhoff bike. (Nine years old now) and while it is proving impossible to get spare parts for it. Despite its age, its battery is still capable of outperforming the two-month-old Como 5 battery.

The Kalkhoff being the bike I must use, if I want to continue the Sunday rides. Just to avoid having to push the Come 5 home for the last 5 to 10 miles. (At 75 it can be quite tiring) I have it seems, been left with a right lemon where the very short-range, very expensive to run, Specialised Como 5 is concerned.

The Como 5 going back to the shop on Tues 25th of April, to fix the back LED light which failed within a month of my purchasing the bike. They will also, I have been informed, check the battery.

The female assistant in the shop having suggested the first time I returned the bike; I should try riding it without the battery if I wanted more mileage. (I would have bought a standard mountain bike if I intended doing that) This completely unhelpful suggestion made me realise what I might be up against when dealing with them.

Rather than spending a fortune over the next ten years, regularly replacing batteries which will undoubtedly end up costing you way more than your Specialised Ebike did – anyone reading this should avoid purchasing a Specialised Ebike.



Afterthought​



What do you think would happen if one of the Arc Cycles staff purchased an electric car with a purported range of 200 miles, only to discover after using it a few times it only had a range of 100 miles.

Would they say “That’s ok, that seems normal.”

Of course not, that car would be back to the dealers faster than you can blink.

I am quite sure the same would apply to this Ebike, if one of them had purchased it.







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Rather than spending a fortune over the next ten years, regularly replacing batteries which will undoubtedly end up costing you way more than your Specialised Ebike did – anyone reading this should avoid purchasing a Specialised Ebike.
It looks like a hit & run first post of a new user. Or, a user who has never ridden e-bikes before, lacks the experience, and is greatly disappointed as he does not know what to expect from an e-bike or how to use it properly. First of all, there is nothing like a "Power" mode in Specialized e-bikes.

Some of us have been riding Specialized Turbo e-bikes for more than 3 years. My Vado 5.0 (now converted to Vado 6.0) has 9,500 registered miles on Strava, and its mileage on the odometer has been over 10,000 miles. That e-bike came with a 604 Wh nominal capacity battery. The 2023 Como 5.0 comes with a 710 Wh battery, that means 17.5% longer range. The facts about my older Vado 5.0 are:
  • The e-bike when it had a new battery had a range of 25 miles in 100/100% Turbo mode. New Como 5.0 should be able to ride in Turbo mode for 29 miles
  • The range with the 40/40% assistance was typically giving the range of 40 miles or more. Como 5.0 should be capable of at least 45 miles or more.
  • The range of 50 miles was achieved with 35/35% assistance. Como 5.0 should be capable of at least 58 miles.
  • 30/30% assistance was yielding 56 miles. Como 5.0 should assist the rider for minimum of 65 miles.
Now, other interesting facts:
  • My Vado is a 45 km/h (or 28 mph) Euro Speed Pedelec. As such, it is power hungry. The British Como 5.0 is limited to 15.5 mph and as such it should be far more economical
  • It has never happened to my Vado to observe the power jumping off the cliff below the 20%. What actually happens is the e-bike is reducing its assistance automatically below 20% of the battery (to protect the battery), and the assistance is further reduced below 10% (to protect the battery even more). The assistance is practically cut off below the 5% of the battery.
My suggestion to the OP is the following:
  • Connect Mission Control to your Como
  • Click Let's Ride
  • Activate Smart Control
  • Go to the Distance tab
  • Set the planned distance ride and planned elevation gain
  • Set 5% as the remaining charge at the end of the ride
  • Activate the Smart Control
As you will start riding, you will notice very little of assistance. Let your Como a mile or so for the run in. You will feel the assistance increasing over the distance. In case you need to do a climb, press the + button for a short burst of Turbo. You will see how far you can ride on the full battery charge!

There also is the MicroTune feature for the new Specialized Turbo e-bikes. Learn how to adjust the assistance in micro steps. Observe the Range and Range Trend on the display as you ride. That will help you a lot.

Summary: the current 710 Wh Como 5.0 battery is really huge, and it will provide a big range provided the rider is ready to put some effort in the pedalling, and understands how the assistance works.
 
I been using Ebikes since I was 60, when some of them still had lead acid batteries.

My first Ebike being from Halfords, the motor was in the front wheel and the battery slotted into the luggage rack.

After my second Holfords being much the same as the first, I next purchased a Kallkoff around 2014. Despite the age of the battery now (yes, I still using its original battery) it can still do double the distance the specialised Como 5 can, and the como is brand new.

The Como 5 has three power settings eco, sports and power.

The first time I used the bike I did 10 miles using sports mode for 70% of the journey, and eco for the rest. The journey being over relatively flat terrain, it used 20% of the battery. I get 4 miles per 10% of the battery using only sports mode on flat roads. I have not tested using only the eco mode yet.

Deciding on the return journey, to take a shorter route. I activated the smart control, only to discover the now nine-mile journey back used up 50% of the battery. I have not used smart control since then. Taking into account the incredibly limited performance of the Como fives battery when it reaches its last 20%, I would not have been able to travel much further using the battery.

Someone having suggested recently I should calibrate the battery, due to its sometimes-weird behavior. I rode it up a nearby one mile long hill, using only the power mode. Power mode using anywhere between 10% and 14% per mile of hill, depending on its steepness. it is the quickest way to flatten the battery.

Upon reaching the top of the hill the first time, I switched the battery off as it was not needed for freewheeling down the other side. Doing this every time I went up either side of the hill - after all, it was also a test of the battery’s endurance in power mode. The battery managed just 7 miles of hill climbing before it conked out.

So no, I am not new to ebikes, and yes, I do know how to use them.

And being reasonably fit for a 75-year-old, I put in my fair share of effort when cycling. After all, I ride for excersise, hoping the Ebike will allow me to go far greater distances then I would go if I were using a normal bike.
 
If you record that 1 mile uphill ride in the Mission Control app it will tell you how much energy was drawn from the battery. Let's say it showed 80 Kw and the handlebar display said you had consumed 12% of the battery. 80/0.12=666. So 666 Wh is the actual battery capacity. I believe the battery percent on the display is only an estimate and I'm also sure the full stated battery capacity is not usable as the motor software will shut it down before the battery is really dead so as to not damage the battery.

On my own Como 3.0 the app shows my battery health to be 100% when I do the calculation above it shows a capacity of around 90%. The 10% difference is the "inaccessible" buffer.

You said "...The first time I used the bike I did 10 miles using sports mode for 70% of the journey, and eco for the rest. The journey being over relatively flat terrain, it used 20% of the battery." That data suggests your actual battery capacity is 10/0.20=500 Wh, only 70% of its advertised capacity. Something else is wrong too. Assuming you were going 15 mph, the speed where the assist cuts out in the UK/EU bikes, on flat ground that 20 mile round trip would have taken me around 200 Kw on my Como (only 28% of your bikes battery). I'm 75 also and don't ride very much so probably can't pedal as hard as you either.

Analyzing your ride data, as I said in the other thread where you wrote the same post, would let you see for yourself what's causing your very short battery life.

Let's hope your LBS gets it sorted. I bet there is something wrong with the motor, battery or IGH. None of the range experiences you cite sound right.

Let us know what the shop says.
 
If you record that 1 mile uphill ride in the Mission Control app it will tell you how much energy was drawn from the battery. Let's say it showed 80 Kw and the handlebar display said you had consumed 12% of the battery. 80/0.12=666. So 666 Wh is the actual battery capacity. I believe the battery percent on the display is only an estimate and I'm also sure the full stated battery capacity is not usable as the motor software will shut it down before the battery is really dead so as to not damage the battery.

On my own Como 3.0 the app shows my battery health to be 100% when I do the calculation above it shows a capacity of around 90%. The 10% difference is the "inaccessible" buffer.

You said "...The first time I used the bike I did 10 miles using sports mode for 70% of the journey, and eco for the rest. The journey being over relatively flat terrain, it used 20% of the battery." That data suggests your actual battery capacity is 10/0.20=500 Wh, only 70% of its advertised capacity. Something else is wrong too. Assuming you were going 15 mph, the speed where the assist cuts out in the UK/EU bikes, on flat ground that 20 mile round trip would have taken me around 200 Kw on my Como (only 28% of your bikes battery). I'm 75 also and don't ride very much so probably can't pedal as hard as you either.

Analyzing your ride data, as I said in the other thread where you wrote the same post, would let you see for yourself what's causing your very short battery life.

Let's hope your LBS gets it sorted. I bet there is something wrong with the motor, battery or IGH. None of the range experiences you cite sound right.

Let us know what the shop says.
 
After receiving a phone call on 9 May requesting the trip information from mission control, I then received another call on 11 May requesting I deliver the power supply to the bike shop.

I received another phone call yesterday asking for the keys.

Delivering the key today, I was informed I would know by Friday what is happening regarding the Como 5.

So far it has taken 22 days to fix the back light and check the battery.

I will update you Friday.
 
there is something wrong with your bike.

28 miles on flat terrain at a speed of 15mph (the assist cuts off in the UK at this point, no?) means a 1:50 minute ride, more or less. the bike has a 710wh battery. let’s say you can only use 90% of it, that means you are drawing an average of 350 watts. there is virtually no situation on level ground in which a 15mph ride requires 350+ watts, unless you have a large sail attached to the bicycle and are riding into the wind.

either the battery has nowhere near the rated capacity and should be replaced under warranty or some other resistance is consuming a tremendous amount of power.

it takes around 200 watts of power to go 15mph on an upright bike with fat tires. if you’re even supplying 75 (almost nothing) your battery should last 5 hours, and you’d go 75 miles.

something is awry.
 
I have a Kalkhoff Ebike that is now nine years old. It’s stuck in power mode and it is almost impossible to get spare parts for it since we left the common market. Hence my purchasing the Como five. Despite the age of its battery, it can still outlast the Como five in any mode.

Como five in power mode -10 miles maximum if I’m lucky.

Nine-year-old Kalkhoff battery in power mode - 30 to 40 miles

Nine years ago, when I bought the Kalkhoff, it’s Bosch battery was guaranteed to recharge 1300 times before starting to depreciate to any degree.

Bosch battery -1300 charges = £750

specialised battery - 300 charges = £1000

The life of the average Ebike being around 10 years or so it’s reckoned. With the Kalkhoff bike you do not have to replace the battery two a three times during that 10 years. And five years from now, that battery could cost 2000, especially the way inflation is going.

Specialised are undoubtedly ripping you off, by ensuring you buy as many of their really expensive replacement batteries as possible.

To quote the manual for the specialised bike, it states the batteries capacity to charge will depreciate by 30% after 300 charges or two years - whichever comes first.

I would expect this kind of built-in obsolescence from a cheap Halfords bike, costing £1000 or less. Not from a four and a half grand Como five.

Shame about the battery, because the bike was really nice to ride.
 
Sounds like an awful experience. It shouldn't fall on the consumer to tinker with a million different variables to get the bike to perform reasonably well, it should fall on the shop. But I know from my own experience that some bike shops at least are totally incompetent, probably they know something about regular bikes but e-bikes.... well that's a different matter.
 
That sounds like a terrible experience. It should not be the consumer's responsibility to fiddle with a million different factors to get the bike to run relatively well; it should be the shop's responsibility.
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Returning the Como 5 a month ago to have the rear light fixed, after it suddenly stopped working, and to also have the battery checked out due to the bikes incredibly limited range. Two weeks later they requested I return the charger, and then a week later the keys.

Promising to update me last Friday, as usual, they did not.

Having bought the bike to ride around this summer, it’s beginning to seem as though this might not happen.
 
The issue with the COMO 5 is now resolved.

Having contacted Specialised UK directly and spoken to someone called Dave, the shop phoned me around 2 hours later to state if I returned the black case with the documents pertaining to bike in it, I would be given a refund.

Just short of 48 hours later the refund appeared in my bank account.

I am surprised at the refund though – I was hoping they would resolve the issue by simply replacing the battery. I really liked the bike.

Thanks for all your suggestions and support.

I will now try and delete this thread if possible.

Regards

Adrian
 
Any interest in trying another Como? Maybe bought from a different shop? I really like mine and the battery range is plenty.

Don't know what was wrong with your bike but sounds like Specialized wanted to make it right instead on having the LBS try to fix it and possibly inconvenience you. even more.
 
I bought a German made e bike around six weeks ago (Reece and Muller) and have very nearly completed 1000 miles on it.

I gave it a five-star review and have not one bad thing to say about it.

Despite Teskow’s obvious dislike of customers who dare to complain, unlike the specialised bike, I have not caught my trouser bottoms in the chain guard and ripped it off (a very flimsy made thing) or caught my trousers in the belt. It really was a very poorly made chain guard. The pedals don’t scrape the road when I go around corners (something that can be very dangerous when negotiating busy roundabouts) the rear light didn’t stop working within three weeks of me purchasing the bike. The mudguards are not fitted so close to the tyres they jam up with mud and other debris, and the disc brakes don’t squeak and scrape everywhere I go.

Add to this the fact, the first 30-mile journey I attempted with that bike, riding in all power modes as required, the battery conked out after 25 miles, leaving me to push it home the last five, does not endear me to specialised bikes.

Having had a very reliable German made Ebike for the last nine years, I decided to purchase another one when specialised refunded me. Although a different make to my old one it is superbly made. In all modes I can get 55 to 60 miles out of the battery. It is every bit as powerful as the specialised bike and although I have done three times the mileage on it, I have experienced none of the problems associated with specialised bike.

Before silly ex sales persons complain about customers who have the temerity to complain about the crap they have been sold, perhaps they should consider the ethics of what they are doing or possibly study the many other makes of Ebikes out there. Just because you once sold a particular brand does not make it a good one. There are many other makes available which are much better.
 
Sorry to hear about your bad experience....and so glad that you were able to resolve the matter to your liking.
I must say that when I first ventured into ebiking (Specialized Vado SL 4.0) recently I was concerned that I would end up with 'problems' and in a frustrating customer service loop.
This premonition caused me to avoid some lower priced but tempting bikes like Aventon as I believed that I would be able to get superior service from a local LBS for Specialized products.
Your Specialized purchase was not a 'cheap alternative' and should have gone more smoothly. At least you were afforded a refund for your troubles...it could have been worse with some lower tier online only import model.
My Specialized experience has been nearly pain free 700 miles and 7+/- weeks later with most of my 'problems' having merely been of my own making (or from my own lack of experience).
It sounds as if you may have gotten a 'lemon' and that is too bad.

Enjoy that Reece and Muller! Don't look back!
 
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