RM Nevo 5 multi day Tourer compare to Charger 5 Mixte

[warek437]

Hi All

Asking for feedback on Riese Muller Nevo 5 for bike touring compared to Charger 5 Mixte. I am looking for a bike that has a weight rating of 150-160 kg for multiday Ebike touring on gravel roads, bike paths and rail trails. I weight 105 kgs and will carry 15 kg+ in 2 panniers on the rear rack including a second battery. I had a quick look at Charger, size 53, classic/diamond frame and found it difficult to get my leg over the top tube. The bike shop did not have a Charger 5 Mixte frame to try. As I get older, easier access on and off the bike without any compromises in bike handling and stability is becoming more important. Seat height and handlebar reach was very good on Charger 53 cm.

I have watched a few videos from sales people saying that there is no loss of handling or stability when using Nevo or Charger 5 Mixte frame, and that a Nevo 5 is very capable and can do it all. I would like to get some unbiased feedback from owners/users.

I will be looking at Bosch CX motor Gen 5 and cassette and derailleur transmission

Is there a better bike option?

Thanks for any feedback

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

I had a quick look at Charger, size 53, classic/diamond frame and found it difficult to get my leg over the top tube. The bike shop did not have a Charger 5 Mixte frame to try. As I get older, easier access on and off the bike without any compromises in bike handling and stability is becoming more important.

Didn't take the time to look up these bikes, but assuming that one has a high-step frame and the other a low- to mid-step frame.

Just as a baseline observation, I never felt any clearly identifiable indication of frame flexure on this 70 lb lower-middle-tier aluminum step-thru hub-drive in nearly 3000 mi of riding — about 10% of which was on rough hardpack. That was with an 87 kg rider and at most 10 kg shopping loads in panniers. The shopping loads were mostly on pavement.

You're contemplating heavier rider and touring loads on much more expensive bikes. My only point is that a step-thru frame doesn't have to degrade handling.

 

[warek437]

Thanks Jeremy

Appreciate your reply

 

[DiggyGun]

I have the Nevo3 GT Vario GX and use it on tarmac, gravel trails, forest tracks and stones tracks.

Presently I weigh 100kg but at my heaviest was 133kg. Never had any issues riding on the above conditions whilst exploring all day. Also had two Ortlieb panniers, two fork bags and trunk bag which were usually full.

It has never let us down with any significant issues.

DG…

 

[warek437]

Hi

I have the Nevo3 GT Vario GX and use it on tarmac, gravel trails, forest tracks and stones tracks.

Presently I weigh 100kg but at my heaviest was 133kg. Never had any issues riding on the above conditions whilst exploring all day. Also had two Ortlieb panniers, two fork bags and trunk bag which were usually full.

It has never let us down with any significant issues.
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DG…

hi DG
thanks very helpful.

i can get a good deal on new nevo 4 Vario 51 cm With Intuvia computer. I would prefer chain and cassette, and Kiox 300-500: but none an available, unless I order a new one at a higher price.
how good is transmission vario on hills?
any reliability or adjustments issues?
if in the future I wanted to covert from vario to chain cassette, do you know if a derailleur can simply be mounted onto the frame or is it specifically designed to match the vario hub.
enjoy the cycling

 

[Base]

this type of platform uses a sliding dropout design to tension the belt. This dropout can be swapped out for a different style of dropout (eg, switch between deraulleur/hub, hub style) at least thats what is on the latest version of this model. Your local dealer should be able to tell you what style of sliding dropouts are available for these models. (they cary both Derr and Hub on the same frame platform)

 

[DiggyGun]

Hi

hi DG
thanks very helpful.

i can get a good deal on new nevo 4 Vario 51 cm With Intuvia computer. I would prefer chain and cassette, and Kiox 300-500: but none an available, unless I order a new one at a higher price.
how good is transmission vario on hills?
any reliability or adjustments issues?
if in the future I wanted to covert from vario to chain cassette, do you know if a derailleur can simply be mounted onto the frame or is it specifically designed to match the vario hub.
enjoy the cycling

The Vario is excellent on hills, in fact on everything. It is virtually seamless. We gone up some fairly steep hills with no issues.

On the above, the bike just did in, albeit in Turbo power, but didn’t need to get off the bike. However, on Mrs DG’s bike at the time, a Wisper hub drive, the battery wires melted, which we had to get fixed.

If you wanted to change to a chain, that would be a lot of work and expense. We used to have chain gear but the Vario is so much better and cleaner.

DG…

 

[warek437]

Dg

are there fork mounts on the nevo?

 

[DiggyGun]

Dg

are there fork mounts on the nevo?

They come with the Ortlieb front fork bags.

DG…

 

[warek437]

Hi DG


If I order a bike it will be chain and cassette. I am temped to buy existing bikie and save the 4 month delay.

If I buy current stock it will be the enviolo rear bub on Nevo is a trekking model yet on Charger it is Enviolo heavy duty. Do you know which enviolo hub you have?

Regards
Kevin

 

[DiggyGun]

Hi DG


If I order a bike it will be chain and cassette. I am temped to buy existing bikie and save the 4 month delay.

If I buy current stock it will be the enviolo rear bub on Nevo is a trekking model yet on Charger it is Enviolo heavy duty. Do you know which enviolo hub you have?

Regards
Kevin

Hi Kevin

I wasn’t aware that Enviolo made different hubs, so on my Nevo3, it was what ever came fitted.

I’ve had a look on the R+M website which states that the Nevo and the Charger are both fitted with the 380 Hub.

Nevo

Charger

DG…

 

[warek437]

HI DG
I believe there is a big label on each hub showing trekking, heavy duty etc.

Would be interested to know what yours is. They have a Nevo older model on a sale here and it has the trekking version Enviolo hub, where as the Charger has the heavy duty version Enviolo hub

https://support.enviolo.com/hc/en-us/articles/19809857460882-Technical-Specifications-for-all-enviolo-CVPs#heavy-duty

 

[DiggyGun]

HI DG
I believe there is a big label on each hub showing trekking, heavy duty etc.

Would be interested to know what yours is. They have a Nevo older model on a sale here and it has the trekking version Enviolo hub, where as the Charger has the heavy duty version Enviolo hub

https://support.enviolo.com/hc/en-us/articles/19809857460882-Technical-Specifications-for-all-enviolo-CVPs#heavy-duty

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Thank you for the details.

My bike is in storage in the UK and we are in Poland waiting for our house to be, so cannot physically check the bike.

However, I can confirm that the method of fixing the rear wheel is bolt on and, not quick release / through axle.

This was from when the LBS was showing how to take the rear wheel off.

DG…