ok, got frustrated dealing with Kona as the El Kahuna would have cost me $2,360 and admittedly bedeviled by missing out on the great deal Jimmy666 landed, so this am bought a specialized tero 3.0, for $2k total, no shipping or taxes, it has lower level components in some areas but a little lighter than the Kona and a faster as specialized has made it a class 3 . I think I'll like it.