New mid-drive Yamaha

With more newton inside 100 to 150 RPM is more easy have 45km/h with unlocked speed
 
The keyword in Manu's post is "unlocked." The PW-X2 motor is designed and delivered with a 25 km/h limit.
I understand that. With higher torque it is faster to reach the 45 km/h but it has nothing to do with maintaining the speed. To maintain the high speed, you need power. High torque is also helpful on off-road climbing; sometimes it means the rear wheel slipping (the mud, a wet stone slab...)
 
Most want more, though I'd have to admit that 320 wh in my Creo seems like it will be enough.
You're fit and able. Most of e-bike riders are not and depend on the battery very much. To be able to make a 100 km trip, I actually need more than 720 Wh.
 
You're right with the aero position @Captain Slow. This must bring a big saving at higher speeds. Next, if you are a lightweight person and your bike is lightweight too, you win on the climbs. I totally support the design of the Creo if it is used by the right cyclist for intended purpose. However, Giant downsized the batteries in e-bikes ridden for different purposes, that is, commuting and recreation.

Regarding the areo position, I often lean on the handlebars when fighting adverse wind. Cannot do too much until my stomach flattens when I lose weight 😊
 
The keyword in Manu's post is "unlocked." The PW-X2 motor is designed and delivered with a 25 km/h limit.
I say this because I see it from the point of unlocking, for yamaha so far it has never failed to have something illegal to unlock speed and I think this would not be the case in the future.
 
I understand that. With higher torque it is faster to reach the 45 km/h but it has nothing to do with maintaining the speed. To maintain the high speed, you need power. High torque is also helpful on off-road climbing; sometimes it means the rear wheel slipping (the mud, a wet stone slab...)
to have top speed you need revolutions and newtom, the newtom is the ability to move so much weight per meter, comparing to the FIRST MID-DRIVE PW and the new PWX-2 are too many differences, the first one DIES AT 100 RPM WITH 10 NEWTOMS COURSES AND THE PWX-2 AT 100 RPM GIVES ABOUT 70/80 NEWTOM = 70 KG IN ONE METER, WITH A WHEEL OF 29X2.0 PLATE OF 38 AND CASSETE 11 TO 96 RPM give 45KM / HY YOU HAVE 70/80 newtom, if you unlock

the pwx gives 45km / h with effort, the pwx-2 has much more potential and that will be noticed
 
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Yamaha pwx vs bosch a 45 km / h

you class physic lessons ,no par,newtom,no speed.
 
80nm max, they need to pump those numbers up, at least get up to the TQ motor at 120NM

Looks like the new PW-X2 motor delivers 70Nm at 100rpm and 60Nm at 120rpm... ;)

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Yes, that's a good point and the reason I was turned off on the new Giant ebikes i.e. only 375 watt hours of energy stored. I would agree for a commuter type bike that the 375 wh battery there is less adequate than the 320 wh I have in the Creo.

I'm confused. My 2018 giant has 500 wh stored ( full e pro) and all but the cheapest giants still have that - am I missing something?

Will be interesting to see if Giant puts these in their bikes this fall.

They already have it in the 2020 range - they just didn't make much noise about making less noise
 
Sure, but yamaha still makes that power after 12 months
Perhaps I didn't understand that short sentence :)
Torque is not power. Any transmission system acts as either divider or multiplier of torque to the drive-wheel, and torque translates to force exerted on the ground to make a vehicle move.

In a car, the gearbox (and the rest of the transmission) typically reduces the rpm of the engine but multiplies torque at driven wheels. The lower the gear, the higher the effective torque. It makes the car accelerate fast from the lowest gears. There are situations when too high torque has adverse effects, such as starting the car from ice, snow, mud or sandy surface because the driven wheels may slip and the car wouldn't move. A manual gearbox driver would upshift to gear #2 to reduce excessive torque in the wheels.

Once the car got on the speed, it is in the high gear and the torque at wheels is low. It is hard to accelerate at the high gear.

In bikes (and e-bikes), the drive-train acts either as torque multiplier (in low gears) or divider (in high gears). Again, a climbing cyclist in their granny gear delivers the most of the torque to the rear wheel at the cost of low speed. On contrary, a road racer is at high gear, delivering the least torque to his wheel (that's why Specialized 1.1 motor of Turbo Creo SL only delivers 35 Nm). It might happen that a mountain cyclist delivers too much of torque on climbing. If that's a wet slab, mud, etc, the wheel might slip because of excessive torque.

For the rest of us, the motor torque only translates to the acceleration ability. High torque, and you are at speed in seconds after you started from the green signal. Low torque (hub motors) and it is painful to cross a junction from a cold start. Once a good speed has been reached, the torque is meaningless.

Of two similarly built e-bikes, the faster one will be that with higher maximum power. If one motor can deliver 250 W and the other 500 W, the latter will be faster if unrestricted.
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I write all of this because the OP doesn't seem to understand the basic rules of the mechanics.
 
Operative word being NEW, yes the current model year has 375 wh batteries. At least in my part of the world. Maybe it's different in Australia.

Can I assume you are in the states?

It looks like the operative word is ROAD - with the 2020 fastroad / revolt( ing) bikes trying to copy specialized and go for a lighter / cheaper 375 battery

It looks like the 2020 mtb all stick with 500 w , ie trance , reign, even the stance and fathom bikes.
 
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