New 1500W Avinox Amflows

[Rás Cnoic]

This is getting very confusing, different claims for the bike price and completely sold out across Europe.
Theres so many models on the Amflow page that its not clear which is which or wether its carbon or alloy

They are really blasting out the message aren't they even if detail getting lost. I took that the £3999 version is a full carbon frame with a big and removable 800wh battery and the heavier M2 motor (though still better than original motor) with good tyres and SRAM remote derailleur wired into main battery. The top of the range £8999? Has a slimmer, non removable battery and better front and rear suspension.

That's what the YouTubers are sayin' but maybe their info is not correct in all their excitement!

 

[Rás Cnoic]

When the Atherton family go full on in on Avinox for their first EMTB, built like all their mountain bikes in their unique style, at their home facility in Wales, then yeah this motor is getting everywhere!

 

[stompandgo]

DJI Avinox is the drive unit, AMFLOW is one of many bike brands that use them.

All AMFLOW bikes as of today have carbon frames. Two are new, one is the original Stumpjumper clone. All bikes are sold out online for now. My guess is that they will open sales up once they are shown at Sea Otter next week. We have six on allocation for the shop.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

This is getting very confusing, different claims for the bike price and completely sold out across Europe.
Theres so many models on the Amflow page that its not clear which is which or wether its carbon or alloy

found this:

Features​

• Full carbon frame, approximately 2.9kg (Size M) — available in Moss Green
• Avinox M2 drive unit — 110N·m nominal torque, 125N·m peak torque; quiet, smooth power delivery
• 800Wh removable battery — charge in the bike or remove for swapping or home charging
• FOX AWL HD Sport fork (MY 2027) — 160mm travel, RAIL 2.0 damper, Sweep/LSR adjustment, custom-tuned
• FOX Float Rhythm rear shock (MY 2027) — 210×55mm, LSR adjustment, custom-tuned
• 29-inch front / 27.5-inch rear (mullet) wheel setup on Amflow XMA-30 alloy rims with SAPIM E-Light spokes
• Maxxis Assegai 29×2.50 (3C MaxxGrip, EXO+, TR) front tyre and Maxxis DHR II 27.5×2.50 (MaxxTerra, DD, TR) rear tyre — tubeless ready
• Tektro TKD173 four-piston hydraulic disc brakes, 203mm rotors, Amflow custom spec
• SRAM S1000 Eagle Transmission electronic drivetrain — 38T chainring, 10-52T cassette, AXS Pod Controllers
• SmoothShift — shift gears while coasting, deeply integrated with the Avinox drive system
• Avinox 2-inch OLED Control Display — offline navigation, Apple Find My tracking, OTA updates, Bluetooth
• Auto mode and Boost mode for intelligent or maximum power assistance
• 40 adjustable geometry configurations — head tube angle, bottom bracket height and chainstay length all independently adjustable
• Amflow dropper post with adjustable travel shim (190mm / 210mm / 230mm depending on frame size)
• Includes 168W charger, Avinox front light, bottle cage, torque wrench, shock pump, pedals and clear frame protection film

Its for sale here - preorder- I'm guessing they are not yet released - at £3999 The Amflow PR Carbon:

Amflow PR Carbon eBike 2027 | Biketart

The Amflow PR Carbon is a full-power electric mountain bike built around a lightweight full-carbon frame and Amflow's own Avinox M2 drive system. At £3,999 it represents the entry point to the PR Carbon range, but that shouldn't suggest it's a compromise — this is a genuinely capable trail and...

www.biketart.com

 

[stompandgo]

The beast is the M2S, not the M2.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

The beast is the M2S, not the M2.

Yes. They released both today. The M2 is the cheaper option but still superior to the original Avinox motor.

 

[jabberwocky]

DJI Avinox is the drive unit, AMFLOW is one of many bike brands that use them.

All AMFLOW bikes as of today have carbon frames. Two are new, one is the original Stumpjumper clone. All bikes are sold out online for now. My guess is that they will open sales up once they are shown at Sea Otter next week. We have six on allocation for the shop.

Didn't you say in another thread that a gravel bike may be forthcoming? Because thats something I'd be interested in...

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

We have six on allocation for the shop.

Q1. Will these Amflows be legal ebikes operable on public roads and bikeways in Massachusetts without license, registration, and insurance?

Q2. If not, how will your shop handle that?

 

[Rás Cnoic]

Q1. Will these Amflows be legal ebikes operable on public roads and bikeways in Massachusetts without license, registration, and insurance?

Q2. If not, how will your shop handle that?

In U.K. & EU they'll still be restricted to 25km as standard. Assume it'll be same or at least 20mph in US. It's up to owners to risk derestricting them.

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

In U.K. & EU they'll still be restricted to 25km as standard. Assume it'll be same or at least 20mph in US. It's up to owners to risk derestricting them.

The issue I foresee — certainly in California and probably in some other states as well — is that 1500W power boost. In California, no legal ebike can have more than 750W of motor power as of the first of this year. The new language says nothing about what kind of power that is.

I lay blame for the current nationwide backlash against "ebikes" squarely on manufacturers and dealers selling illegal e-motos as legal ebikes.

Auto makers and dealers don't generally sell illegal cars and trucks. Why should it be any different for bikes?

 

[stompandgo]

Didn't you say in another thread that a gravel bike may be forthcoming? Because thats something I'd be interested in...

Rumoured, not necessarily AMFLOW.

 

[stompandgo]

Q1. Will these Amflows be legal ebikes operable on public roads and bikeways in Massachusetts without license, registration, and insurance?

Q2. If not, how will your shop handle that?

They are still 750W rated. Boost mode isn't figured into that. I get what you are saying, though. I haven't seen any e-MTB's at all on the roads around here. Our customers that are buying e-MTB's want them for off road racing and riding.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

Rumoured, not necessarily AMFLOW.

I recall a New Zealand brand had a gravel bike with the Avinox. Can't remember what they were called...

 

[stompandgo]

The issue I foresee — certainly in California and probably in some other states as well — is that 1500W power boost. In California, no legal ebike can have more than 750W of motor power as of the first of this year. The new language says nothing about what kind of power that is.

I lay blame for the current nationwide backlash against "ebikes" squarely on manufacturers and dealers selling illegal e-motos as legal ebikes.

Auto makers and dealers don't generally sell illegal cars and trucks. Why should it be any different for bikes?

All Avinox motors are 750W until you hit the boost button. This makes them "illegal" for e-bike racing under USA Cycling, but enforcement is minimal. Is California going to publish a "banned bikes" list? I see a mess coming.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

I recall a New Zealand brand had a gravel bike with the Avinox. Can't remember what they were called...

Velduro!

 

[jabberwocky]

All Avinox motors are 750W until you hit the boost button. This makes them "illegal" for e-bike racing under USA Cycling, but enforcement is minimal. Is California going to publish a "banned bikes" list? I see a mess coming.

Honestly if the assist speed is adhered to I don't see much issue in most locations. If you can easily defeat the assist speed and riders are powering around popular singletrack at 25mph+ I could see some issues. No singletrack anywhere around me allows anything other than class 1.

Rumoured, not necessarily AMFLOW.

Would be nice to get more options in the e-gravel that aren't lightweight tiny motor tiny battery bikes.