Motobecane EF3 Shimano steps folder
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vincent
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Well got in 12 miles on pavement with this folder today
it has some good attributes and not so good aspects
biggest thing in favor of it is weight, for a 3 inch fat tire it is pretty light and easy to lift with the battery off
power is lacking a lot, 40nm will not cut it for me
Rode in high the entire time
Forgot how much I dislike Low powered euro motors and hoped the low nm would not be indicative of how much power it had but it is
Would be hard to take any non biking riding friends riding on it because of the Low power, just not going to help enough for unfit rid
wish I could fit a bbs02 on it with a belt lol
if you are going to be mostly in the flats, mild hills it may be ok
Rode it on a few steeper hills here and it just does not have much to give
Battery wise seems ok and in line with what I would expect, probably 13-13.5 miles on the charge and down one notch- range estimate was at 26 when I got done riding
Folds easily, might be my easiest folding bike
With a bodyfloat on it Rides decent for a folder
these tires do ok but I am going to put the 20x2.8 specialized big roller on it, think it will take another 2 lbs off the bike and think they will do better on dirt
Be a week before those tires get here but I will post feedback
will have this bike 6months or so but it will be sold after that
In a few days will try to run the haibike radius tour with yamaha on this same route and compare
Expect it to climb the hills much better
If the haibike was a full folder I would never sell it...
it has some good attributes and not so good aspects
biggest thing in favor of it is weight, for a 3 inch fat tire it is pretty light and easy to lift with the battery off
power is lacking a lot, 40nm will not cut it for me
Rode in high the entire time
Forgot how much I dislike Low powered euro motors and hoped the low nm would not be indicative of how much power it had but it is
Would be hard to take any non biking riding friends riding on it because of the Low power, just not going to help enough for unfit rid
wish I could fit a bbs02 on it with a belt lol
if you are going to be mostly in the flats, mild hills it may be ok
Rode it on a few steeper hills here and it just does not have much to give
Battery wise seems ok and in line with what I would expect, probably 13-13.5 miles on the charge and down one notch- range estimate was at 26 when I got done riding
Folds easily, might be my easiest folding bike
With a bodyfloat on it Rides decent for a folder
these tires do ok but I am going to put the 20x2.8 specialized big roller on it, think it will take another 2 lbs off the bike and think they will do better on dirt
Be a week before those tires get here but I will post feedback
will have this bike 6months or so but it will be sold after that
In a few days will try to run the haibike radius tour with yamaha on this same route and compare
Expect it to climb the hills much better
If the haibike was a full folder I would never sell it...
FlatSix911
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vincent
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No I have not, will look that up right now, thanks for that suggestion
Do any of the dongle’s for these low powered mid drive increase power or just top speed? I would totally put a dongle on it if I could get another 10-20nm out of the motor
A little more power and I would put it IGH on this and be pretty happy with it
Do any of the dongle’s for these low powered mid drive increase power or just top speed? I would totally put a dongle on it if I could get another 10-20nm out of the motor
A little more power and I would put it IGH on this and be pretty happy with it
FlatSix911
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Not really... eTube will allow you to tune the power delivery curve.
The speed dongles will de-limit the maximum supported speed. Hope this is a bit of help.
vincent
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i tried to do the tuning but cannot seem to get it to connect
thinking maybe it is missing something needed to do that
either way decided to put this bike up for sale, i am not going to be happy with it and no point in it sitting around
i think a light rider in the flats might like it fine
when i have time will post pics etc in the for sale forum
planning to sell it for a few hundred off new
if anyone is interested in southern cali or AZ please message me through here
thinking maybe it is missing something needed to do that
either way decided to put this bike up for sale, i am not going to be happy with it and no point in it sitting around
i think a light rider in the flats might like it fine
when i have time will post pics etc in the for sale forum
planning to sell it for a few hundred off new
if anyone is interested in southern cali or AZ please message me through here
vincent
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meant to add i am hoping tern will come out with a new lighter ebike with that light gen 4 bosch motor ravi thinks is so awesome
as much as i am done with euro mid drives, a 20 inch folder is the only bike i might consider one for
if it was possible to swap out this shimano motor for even the 6100 i would probably do that and keep this bike but i do not think that is possible, too bad
as much as i am done with euro mid drives, a 20 inch folder is the only bike i might consider one for
if it was possible to swap out this shimano motor for even the 6100 i would probably do that and keep this bike but i do not think that is possible, too bad
FlatSix911
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vincent
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Wanted to update this because i rode the haibike radius tour with yamaha motor on the same streets today, no comparison on how this 40nm shimano climbs
the yamaha walks up these hills pretty easy- a hill the shimano was struggling to get up at 6mph in any low gear the yamaha went up with moderate effort in gear 2
the yamaha walks up these hills pretty easy- a hill the shimano was struggling to get up at 6mph in any low gear the yamaha went up with moderate effort in gear 2
Ravi Kempaiah
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Well, I told you
You should get a 45 lbs bike with Yamaha PW-X or Bosch gen 4 system.
Next time, I am going to bring my prototypes and we should go around the Grand canyon before tourists start crowding that place ..
vincent
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Wow, really good news
Did not expect this but I spoke to Shimano today on a lark to see if I could swap out for one of the bigger motors and they said they all Bolt In exactly the same
they felt the 6100 motor which has 70nm would swap in With zero problems and plug into everything
I am also considering the 7000 motor
would probably like to do the 7000 if possible - obviously I have some research in my future
good chance this will change everything and I will keep this bike
Did not expect this but I spoke to Shimano today on a lark to see if I could swap out for one of the bigger motors and they said they all Bolt In exactly the same
they felt the 6100 motor which has 70nm would swap in With zero problems and plug into everything
I am also considering the 7000 motor
would probably like to do the 7000 if possible - obviously I have some research in my future
good chance this will change everything and I will keep this bike
FlatSix911
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Both are great Shimano drive systems... the E6000 is designed for more Hybrid/Road/Treking vs. the E7000 for Off-road/Mountain.
See my signature... I have 2 EBikes with the Shimano 6000 motors and have not found a hill that I could not climb in low gear.
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FlatSix911
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I have the original Shimano E6000 motor... similar to the E6100 but it does not have the eTube app the power tuning option.
Both the Shimano E6000 and E7000 are rated at 60Nm... the E8000 has 70Nm. Any mid-drive over 60Nm will get you over a steep hill.
Regarding the Yamaha PW-X, it is another great motor with 80Nm of torque... here is a handy guide to the highest TQ motor for each manufacturer.
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vincent
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flatsix are you sure the e6000 is the same motor as the e6100 except bluetooth tuning? i dont care anything about tuning, just want 100% power from the motor in high
there are some e6000 on ebay, if they plug and play i might pick one up cheap....
my display is this one i think- dont
have the bike with me
and the control buttons are these
blueskycycling.com
do these look like yours?
there are some e6000 on ebay, if they plug and play i might pick one up cheap....
my display is this one i think- dont
have the bike with meand the control buttons are these
Shimano Steps E-Bike SW E6010 Switch
Shimano Steps E-Bike SW E6010 Switch w/ EW-SD50 357mm Cable.Shimano STePS switch for choosing the right support level or for electronic gear selection with Di2. With a mode button in the middle of the switch you can change the displayed menu or from manual to fully automatic mode, if necessary...
blueskycycling.com
do these look like yours?
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+1 for Shimano. My E8000 is a lovely motorBoth are great Shimano drive systems... the E6000 is designed for more Hybrid/Road/Treking vs. the E7000 for Off-road/Mountain.
See my signature... I have 2 EBikes with the Shimano 6000 motors and have not found a hill that I could not climb in low gear.
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