Lightly used 2018 ebikes at 40-60% off ?

Ebiker01

Ebiker01

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Lots of ads lately ...
Looks like that’s what the market can bear.
But that is not appearing with cars -ICE or EV cars.
Would be nice to buy a 2018 Model X for only 50k....

With the newer 625wh and 720wh batteries , the lighter 2020motors, A 2018 ebike unfortunately will soon be a total junk...

And they are not even made from Carbon. Once A Carbon ebike is mainstream a regular ebike will probably sell for 1k max. !

In my case , with almost 7000miles in one year i had saved almost double of the ebike price(4k with accessories).

Parking, timed saved and giving Uber/Lyft the boot is priceless 😉.




So 6months to 1year from now will you choose A 60lb ebike for 1k or a 35lb ebike for 4-5k ??
 
I am not seeing these 40-60% off ads where I live. The LBS have discounts on some older items in stock, but not that much … maybe $500 discount on a $3500 bike. And you seldom see any used ebikes for sale. I guess it is because ebikes are still pretty rare around here, although I think that is starting to change. This summer I saw maybe a couple dozen ebikes while riding the local trails. Last summer I saw only 5 or 6.
 
On EBR There’s a 10k R&M for 6k , there was an St2S for 3k, there’s right now a Trek Super commuter 8+ for 2.7k from 5.5k. And there were a few others...
And this is only on this site...many others on other sites.
 
There's just the usual end of the year discounts on 2019 models where I live, the maximum I've seen is 15% off. Most brands of 2020s are the same or higher price. As more eBikes are on the roads of course used bike prices will drop caused by the inevitable supply/demand factor.
 
Thomas Jaszewski said:
How have the batteries been managed? That could make “lightly used” more along the lines of highly abused. Buyer beware.
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Good point and that's one reason I haven't bought a "used" eBike yet and probably never will unless I know the history/previous owner, just too risky.
 
A 2018 model is not junk. It was the latest and greatest in 2017, and it serves the purpose better than the 2017 or 2016 or whatever. And most are more than adequate for most users. This consumptive paradigm is just ridiculous.
 
Really, if someone is flogging a bike because it's proprietary battery has had it how much is it worth? Hopefully you'll buy them all up.
 
Like with everything Else : There's always those people that have to have the latest and Greatest : Which isn't always the later : I personally don't see how Carbon E bikes vs Aluminum in the same Bike. Is going to last as long . Especially at higher rates of Speed. Whether you're into Bikes, Guns, Golf, Guitars, etc. There will always be people who think Next years upgraded line is Vastly Superior : When it's not : Most of the time it's minor changes with added WINDOW DRESSING : After ALL with these E-Bikes What is there really left to advance ? The Battery size and weight ? Surely not the Motors : Not significantly : Making the Housing Smaller isn't always a Good thing : Especially if you're the guy fixing it ? Tires ? Chains? Pedals , Handlebars, Frame designs?

While I realize there's been some upgrades in the Last 5 Years : It's not enough to warrant worrying about a 3-5 year old Bike that's been taken Care of. Being an antiques Relic

If You actually saved 2500 on a 5,000 Bike and the Battery is Shot : Even if you bought a New one : You still saved a lot of Money.

I see E-bikes sorta like Motorcycles : What's being made today isn't going to be super outdated in even 10 years : So you can only go 100 miles and the New ones are at 200 miles : By then there will be Plug in stations all over the place : I see them now on some of the Bike Trails . And I live in a Rural lower population area.

To the OP: All waiting is going to do for you is make sure you don't have an E-bike yet :) You may as well get one. Trump can't be president forever : If the Left gets in Power You'll have to buy one at inflated Prices LOL

Besides realistically I don't see how you think weight is going to drop in 1/2 in 6 Mths : Probably not in 20 years : Technology is growing fast : Batteries may get smaller and the Electronic may get more sophisticated : But what on earth can they keep changing : There's only so small the engines are ever going to get alone with weight : Really the same goes for Batteries unless a New Process is discovered :

Guess what I'm saying is there's just so many ways to throw a stick and once you reach that : All you have left is Window Dressing : Which appears to be where they are at : I ride a Bike for exercise and Fun. While I haven't bought an E-Bike Yet : My delay is research oriented: Deciding which to Buy :

And who knows Maybe this Winter or Next Spring Someone will be giving away last years Bike to get a New 2020 Model or should I say 2021 ?? :)
 
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Rick53 said:
Like with everything Else : There's always those people that have to have the latest and Greatest : Which isn't always the later : I personally don't see how Carbon E bikes vs Aluminum in the same Bike. Is going to last as long . Especially at higher rates of Speed. Whether you're into Bikes, Guns, Golf, Guitars, etc. There will always be people who think Next years upgraded line is Vastly Superior : When it's not : Most of the time it's minor changes with added WINDOW DRESSING : After ALL with these E-Bikes What is there really left to advance ? The Battery size and weight ? Surely not the Motors : Not significantly : Making the Housing Smaller isn't always a Good thing : Especially if you're the guy fixing it ? Tires ? Chains? Pedals , Handlebars, Frame designs?

While I realize there's been some upgrades in the Last 5 Years : It's not enough to warrant worrying about a 3-5 year old Bike that's been taken Care of. Being an antiques Relic

If You actually saved 2500 on a 5,000 Bike and the Battery is Shot : Even if you bought a New one : You still saved a lot of Money.

I see E-bikes sorta like Motorcycles : What's being made today isn't going to be super outdated in even 10 years : So you can only go 100 miles and the New ones are at 200 miles : By then there will be Plug in stations all over the place : I see them now on some of the Bike Trails . And I live in a Rural lower population area.

To the OP: All waiting is going to do for you is make sure you don't have an E-bike yet :) You may as well get one. Trump can't be president forever : If the Left gets in Power You'll have to buy one at inflated Prices LOL

Besides realistically I don't see how you think weight is going to drop in 1/2 in 6 Mths : Probably not in 20 years : Technology is growing fast : Batteries may get smaller and the Electronic may get more sophisticated : But what on earth can they keep changing : There's only so small the engines are ever going to get alone with weight : Really the same goes for Batteries unless a New Process is discovered :

Guess what I'm saying is there's just so many ways to throw a stick and once you reach that : All you have left is Window Dressing : Which appears to be where they are at : I ride a Bike for exercise and Fun. While I haven't bought an E-Bike Yet : My delay is research oriented: Deciding which to Buy :

And who knows Maybe this Winter or Next Spring Someone will be giving away last years Bike to get a New 2020 Model or should I say 2021 ?? :)
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I have for 3-4years ebikes. Each is 3-5k. The last one from 2018 b/c a 2015one had 416wh vs 605 wh.
And 2020 brings it to 720wh but i’s rather wait another year for a 2020 ebike price to drop in half.

4years ago an emtb was 70lb. Now there are emtb that weigh 38lb with 720wh battery.
Or Haibike flyon with 120nm.

You’re not in the loop with the current ebike news !
 
Regarding e-bike's evolving, I think Grin's GMAC and related controls (featuring proportional regen braking from a gear driven hub) is a pretty significant advance. Not that I'm likely going to see it in a production bike I can afford any time soon, but to write off any chance of significant motor advancements may not be the best plan. I'm looking forward to more ideas like the GMAC. I think they're out there!

The bigger batteries we're seeing are what I believe a "practical" advance. Not so much new technology as it is a new reality. People are realizing those tiny batteries that were included on the older bikes have pretty limited range as compared to a 15+ ah battery. Not so much battery technology advancing as it is the market catching up with reality?

Lighter bikes are nice, as long as they are durable. But not crazy about having the lightest bike available here. Any advances made in the carbon bikes doesn't get much of a rise out of me. I'm definitely not interested in paying twice as much for a 20% lighter bike for sure!
 
AHicks said:
Regarding e-bike's evolving, I think Grin's GMAC and related controls (featuring proportional regen braking from a gear driven hub) is a pretty significant advance. Not that I'm likely going to see it in a production bike I can afford any time soon, but to write off any chance of significant motor advancements may not be the best plan. I'm looking forward to more ideas like the GMAC. I think they're out there!

The bigger batteries we're seeing are what I believe a "practical" advance. Not so much new technology as it is a new reality. People are realizing those tiny batteries that were included on the older bikes have pretty limited range as compared to a 15+ ah battery. Not so much battery technology advancing as it is the market catching up with reality?

Lighter bikes are nice, as long as they are durable. But not crazy about having the lightest bike available here. Any advances made in the carbon bikes doesn't get much of a rise out of me. I'm definitely not interested in paying twice as much for a 20% lighter bike for sure!
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If you read and listen to the Grin comments on the GMAC inner phase if you want to call it that : They use the wording while not a leap in change it is an incremental change that will make the Hub Motor more proficient : Having an engineering background that is saying not more power . Just better operating , longevity etc. Like I said Window Dressing : Not that it doesn't all add up it does. For a recreational rider who's retired . I ride for fitness and Enjoyment : My interest in these is more off rode then commuter I only commented because it sounded like the OP was concerned if he purchased now in a few years he'd have a bike nobody is interested in. IMO someone spending 5,000 plus every few years on a New Bike . Even outside the E-Bikes : Is far more into Biking then I even care to do. At My age Biking is something I can enjoy with My Wife and retired Friends that don't Golf or play Softball > Were I 20 years Younger i'd have a different take I'm sure
 
Nobody is claiming "more power". It's more about the amount of regen available with a 5:1 gear drive. Proportional regen! Unlike a direct drive hub at lower speeds (say under 12-15mph) this armature is turning 5 times faster at those speeds, making it a very effective tool right down to walking speeds. THAT'S the big deal. That and the fact it's being done with a gear drive hub, which are very practical at lower speeds. I consider that a huge bonus!

I think a device that can pretty much eliminate the use of the rear brake, whether riding on a city sidewalk or a single track trail, capable of locking up the rear tire down to near walking speeds, would be considered a bit more than window dressing by a lot of people, myself included. Some may even call the concept revolutionary.

On top of that, unlike the regen capabilities of a DD hub, guys are talking about significant amounts of power available to charge their batteries. While not quite as significant as it's ability to brake, that's a significant factor as well.

And if it's not already apparent, OH YES, I'm pretty excited by this potential.....
 
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Ebiker01 said:
You’re not in the loop with the current ebike news !
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It's just that he (whoever this was addressed to) doesn't want to spend a few thousand more on a newer model when his current model serves him well :). Several people already commented that 2018 unused bike is not a junk, and neither is a used one, if user was taking a good care of it.
Expensive models tend to go down in price more.
Bike under $2K from a company with a solid support is not going to be discounted much, if at all.

Spending money on 720WH battery won't make sense for somebody with 600WH that still works well and enough for intended use, and when it dies, he'll still consider the cost and weight vs necessity. 720WH will cost and weigh more than 600WH in any given year.
I wonder how much lighter are 2019 motors compared to 2018, and how many people would want to dump their 2018 bike with perfectly functional motor because of this.
Or, how a carbon frame - usually more expensive to buy and service - will make aluminum bike go 50% down in price.
 
Be patient and wait for a half-off sale in the dead of Winter... no one should pay retail for an eBike. ;)
 
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Alex M said:
It's just that he (whoever this was addressed to) doesn't want to spend a few thousand more on a newer model when his current model serves him well :). Several people already commented that 2018 unused bike is not a junk, and neither is a used one, if user was taking a good care of it.
Expensive models tend to go down in price more.
Bike under $2K from a company with a solid support is not going to be discounted much, if at all.

Spending money on 720WH battery won't make sense for somebody with 600WH that still works well and enough for intended use, and when it dies, he'll still consider the cost and weight vs necessity. 720WH will cost and weigh more than 600WH in any given year.
I wonder how much lighter are 2019 motors compared to 2018, and how many people would want to dump their 2018 bike with perfectly functional motor because of this.
Or, how a carbon frame - usually more expensive to buy and service - will make aluminum bike go 50% down in price.
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Q- what new ebikes under 2k do you consider as having good quality support ?
I frankly know of maybe Magnum, Radpower and lately Juiced allthough it’s still a work in process but even so they are very successful w/o great support.

Reputable support starts at 2.5k and UP.

yes , that’s why i put off collecting an additional ebike until the market stabilizes.
If the 720wh were made to fit the current ebike i would get the battery but no, they change everything so that we can’t just upgrade bat.
That’s why i got the 300$ Grin charger and weights 2lbs , i can charge 120wh in 20minutes at 8amps.
No need for bigger battery or spare.


Now money were simply like toilet paper i would get:
-M1 Spitzing evolution 1080watts motor
- Trek Allante carbon
-Specialized Creo -the carbon one.

And with the spare change an YT decoy emtb. Or. A BH ATOM LYNX CARBON.


I’m sure someone out there has all this 3-4ebikes ordered already or maybe 10like that....
 
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Elevated charging current like 8A is not good for a battery. More like an emergency situation, when you are in a hurry.
 
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