I never agreed with Peta until today.

[February]

That's one dude who will never have to watch his back a single day in the big house. This dude deserves the Kyle Rittenhouse or Daniel Penny(released today) treatment all the way. Don't know how, but hope he goes free.

 

[scrambler]

I'd concentrate on those that charge, rather than the one that helps you pay.

Healthcare insurers in the US don't help you pay, they basically just negotiate a discount over whatever price the provider decides to charge.
The result is providers that inflate their prices to keep their profits high even after the discount.

Medicare is the only half way decent system, where they actually cap the prices, which is the way decent insurers should work.


"Hopefully the new administration does something to bring reasonable healthcare insurance back."
In what world does that new administration cares more about the people than its rich powerful buddies .....

 

[February]

my feelings at the moment:

 

[Roamers]

Just add the Public Option and I'll be happy to let you have any insurance you want.
If it's so horrible.. You can continue to be the smartest guy in the room

As long as "the public option" doesn't involve federal tax dollars, you can have whatever makes you happy.

Don't know if I'm the smartest, but apparently the least triggered.

 

[Roamers]

Healthcare insurers in the US don't help you pay, they basically just negotiate a discount over whatever price the provider decides to charge.
The result is providers that inflate their prices to keep their profits high even after the discount.

Negotiating a discount helps me pay much less.

As I indicated, concentrate on those that charge, not those that help pay.

 

[Roamers]

You can't make this stuff up.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/google-pulls-mcdonalds-negative-reviews-020904620.html

 

[February]

So, Trump's felonies and Luigi's Trial. 2025 cometh and right soon. Buckle up, it's going to be an interesting 4 years.

 

[BlackHand]

What do you include in the "healthcare system"?

I would not include healthcare insurance

You do know that United Health is vertically integrated, right? In my case, my employer offered plan is through UHC, OptumRX handles prescriptions, Optum administers our HSA account, Optum administers our company LOA program, and the clinic that most of our providers are at was recently rebranded as...wait for it.... Optum.

When the largest health insurer(UHC) and the largest employer of physicians (Optum - 90,000 in Nov 2023 up from 70,000 in 2022) are both part of the same corporation you know that there isn't a conflict of interest, right?

 

[Roamers]

You do know that United Health is vertically integrated, right

Yes. We use UHC, do not use OptumRX (although it is a choice), not sure if some of our Medicare Advantage "freebees" are connected to Optumhealth. No Optumhalth Drs. in this area.

The company I retired from used UHC; our MA plan is basically what we had as an employee and retiree (until 65). No complaints.

 

[il Munduato]

As long as "the public option" doesn't involve federal tax dollars, you can have whatever makes you happy.

Don't know if I'm the smartest, but apparently the least triggered.

Use of Federal Dollars wasn't the argument... It was the sinking of the insurance industry unable to compete who then added scare tactics like death panels . Remember.

The insurance lobby against was massive but I am grateful that you see fit to allow it

 

[ChezCheese:)]

"One of Mangione’s favorite quotes, listed on Goodreads, was “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society,” from Jiddu Krishnamurti, a religious philosopher and teacher."

 

[il Munduato]

"One of Mangione’s favorite quotes, listed on Goodreads, was “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society,” from Jiddu Krishnamurti, a religious philosopher and teacher."

Chuck is deep.

 

[Roamers]

Use of Federal Dollars wasn't the argument.

Don't know what your idea of "public option" means then. Typically "public option" refers to a federal or state funded plan.

It was the sinking of the insurance industry unable to compete who then added scare tactics like death panels . Remember.

No idea what you are writing about.

The insurance lobby against was massive but I am grateful that you see fit to allow it

No idea what you are writing about.

 

[il Munduato]

Don't know what your idea of "public option" means then. Typically "public option" refers to a federal or state funded plan.

No idea what you are writing about.

No idea what you are writing about.

Typical.... Righteous strong opinion yet uninformed.
Do your own homework as the last thing I'll do here is try to educate.

 

[Roamers]

Typical.... Righteous strong opinion yet uninformed.
Do your own homework as the last thing I'll do here is try to educate.

I do recognize that your "thing" is bitch and moan rather than educate. Hope you have a reasonable day.

 

[il Munduato]

I do recognize that your "thing" is bitch and moan rather than educate. Hope you have a reasonable day.

This is +10yr old information...the fact that you have no idea speaks volumes.
Remove head from Trump's _ _ _ to know more.

 

[Roamers]

This is +10yr old information...the fact that you have no idea speaks volumes.
Remove head from Trump's _ _ _ to know more.

Thank you. Old irrelevant information.
By the way, not a Trump fan.

 

[il Munduato]

Thank you. Old irrelevant information.
By the way, not a Trump fan.

Not at all as it was deleted from the ACA to get the lobbied votes against and it gets proposed in each session of Congress since.
Almost 15 years and the Republicans have yet to offer even a single solution other than to be 100% against any idea that's not theirs backed with fear mongering

 

[Roamers]

Almost 15 years and the Republicans have yet to offer even a single solution other than to be 100% against any idea that's not theirs backed with fear mongering

I was under the impression the solution was cancel ACA, and get out of the income tax funded insurance business.

The federal government should not be involved in things that favor or disfavor any person, group, community, state, etc.

 

[il Munduato]

I was under the impression the solution was cancel ACA, and get out of the income tax funded insurance business.

The federal government should not be involved in things that favor or disfavor any person, group, community, state, etc.

Well the current commercial insurance landscape definitely favors the wealthy.
When you dial 911 it shouldn't matter if a police car, fire truck or ambulance responds.
In my opinion public health and safety should not be a for profit business. When it comes to healthcare explain to me how making rich investors, richer is a better use of funds than paying doctors, nurses and money towards research.

How you can have a conversation about Healthcare and rail against the ACA and not even know what the Public Option is beyond absurd... but I'll take back my prior comment and make an attempt.
The Public Option would allow citizens to buy into Medicare. The insurance companies knew that they couldn't compete with a non profit that has a set payment schedule. They spent millions if not billions to defeat it. Now after removing the primary advantage of the ACA as originally proposed, the right argues that it doesn't perform as planned. Talk about you can't make this stuff up.

If insurance companies are so great at what they do... Let us have the public option. You have nothing to loss as people will gravitate to what works.