How to turn off Specialized Turbo Vado SL EQ Lights?

Sorry Stefan - I realise that stage 2 probably isn’t needed, as the rest of the system shouldn’t be doing anything?
Regards,
Steve
I think the system is slow on the update.

Just after the session, the system reported 100% battery or the same 302 Wh available in the battery as it was in the beginning. Only the finał voltage was lower, indicating some battery charge had been used up.

But after I waited and restarted system again only then the system reported the reality. Hard to explain.

As you know, the battery % is updated immediately if you are riding, that is, drawing a significant current from the battery.

I our situation, 15 W was drawn by the lighting over an hour at, say, 54 V. The average current was around 270 mA which is very little compared to what your motor draws. Now let me read your another post.
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I’m not asking you to do this, but I suppose that doing the same with the lights disconnected would show how much power is used hourly by the rest of the system?
Although your methodology is correct, I cannot upset my lighting wiring just for an experiment! :)

Bear in mind that even if BLEvo gives you certain measured parameters such as voltage or battery temperature correctly, it still depends on the SL system to get the current battery charge figure. As I have noticed, the SL system works in some unpredictable manner related to reporting the battery charge. That is, I might have gone for a grocery shopping ride and see, say, 92% of the battery left at the end of the ride. Leave the e-bike switched off until the next morning, and you might see 90%. It is not that the battery discharges itself, no. It is the system doing some update on the data.

But hey, Lezyne has given the power of your Lezyne Ebike Power STVZO E115 headlight! The rated power is 6 W! The power draw of the Lezyne Ebike Rear Fender STVZO tail-light is 1.2 W. The total power draw net for the lights is 7.2 W. Now, let us assume the efficiency of the Vado SL 48/12V converter is only 80%. We might assume that the lighting power draw would be 9 W. The lighting itself would draw 9 W/320 W (your battery capacity), that is, 2.8 % an hour from the battery. You said 3-4% an hour, which is close because the e-bike system has to draw some power, too.

We did a 100km ride yesterday with 2,200 metres of ascent. That’s long for us, so we decided that we’d use the motor more. Also we decided to throw caution to the winds on the way back, and did the last 20k or so on the middle “boost” setting. We were moving for 6.5 hours. When we got back we each had 43% of the battery left (ridiculous - we’re a couple, not twins). So, at 5% for 6.5 hours, I would have lost a further c. 30% of the battery and been at 10-15%. That’s not insignificant. I did feel yesterday that the battery % was holding up much better since disconnecting the day before.


Regarding your 100 km / 2200 metre of ascent ride, you seem to have used 57% from the battery, which is around 182 W. Your battery consumption factor (global) was only 1.82 W/km, which is very very little (I have to assume you both were riding mostly on your leg power?) Commendable!

Now, see what I am using on my Vado SL rides. My recent 100.00 km ride (basically on the flat) was at 35/100% assistance with the 25 km/h speed restrictor on. I was mostly pedalling assisted. My Vado SL used 321 Wh (so I had to use a Range Extender!), and my consumption was 3.2 Wh/km! The ride took 4 h 51 m net. As you can see, I rely on the assistance, and I actually own as many as 4 Range Extenders (I take from 1 to 4 REs on my rides according to my ride plan). In this situation, the lighting power draw is insignificant to me and I value the ride safety above everything!
 
Stefan,
You combine a clear understanding of what is going on with the ability to present technical information in a way that even I, a bean-counter, can understand. Well… almost! Thank you, it’s always a pleasure exchanging messages and information with you.
Regards, Steve
 
PS - there is a lot of leg power, but I think it’s mostly because normally we don’t care how slowly we go, and so can just grind on in bottom gear for mile if need be! Over that climb and distance we had to change tactics!
 
Hi Stefan, Steve,

I read this thread with interest and I had been meaning to write down some observations and try to make some rough estimates of where non-motor power goes. Despite wanting to figure this out and being a bit obsessed with wanting to maximise battery capacity when I first got the bike, 7.5months and 3500km in, I am with generally happy that the lights on the bike are alway on. I felt a bit self conscious cycling in broad daylight with the lights at first, but I don't give it a second thought now. I think it's a nice touch from a safely perspective - even if not perfect.

However I have also done a few multiday rides, camping on route, where I have not taken my charger or a spare battery. For these I generally ride with the TCU powered, but without assistance, unless I feel I need it - usually when I'm either feeling a bit tired/lazy, a big hill where I run out of gears to keep a good cadence, or an annoying headwind.

From doing several rides like this I believe the the lights/tcu/sensors/etc are consuming not insignificant power. I just measured the current flowing through the front and rear lighting circuits, using both a relatively new Hall effect DC current clamp and a very old Fluke multimeter in series with the circuits.

Both indicated around 80-90mA for the rear light and around 400-470mA for the front. The closed circuit voltage across the lighting terminals was about 11.67V and the internal battery had just been fully charged. This would indicate my lights are operating a bit below Lezyne's rated consumptions @12V of 1.2W (rear) and 6W (front). This seems fine to me making allowances for manufacturing, temperature and supply variations.

Theoretical lighting consumption:
Using the nominal rated power for both lights (7.2W) it would seem the lights alone could drain a fully charged SL1-320 battery in around 44-45hours excluding other variables.
320Wh / 7.2W = 44.4h
7.2Wh/ 320Wh = 2.25% of capacity per hour)

Ride based stats:
I did a 100mile non-competitive event last month that used 27% of my battery according to the specialized app. I only used ECO assistance for 15mins over the ride and the App said average motor power over the ride was 1W. Elapsed time was 10 hours but the bike was powered up for no more than 8.5 to 9 hours. Moving time was 7h40m.

Optimistic non-motor/light consumption:
To make these calculations conservative I'm going to assume the average motor power and nominal lighting power were consumed over the entire elapsed time of the ride - rather than the moving and bike powered up times respectively.

Total consumption = 0.27% * 320Wh = 84.4Wh
Total motor consumption = 1W * 10h = 10Wh
Total lights consumption(rated) = 7.2W * 10h = 72Wh
Total non-motor/lights consumption = 84.4 - 10 -72 = 2.4Wh (optimistic)

This would indicate the power consumed by the TCU, it's display, bike sensors (cadence, speed, power meters etc), Blutooth comms with Specialized App on Iphone & ANT+ chest HRM is actually very low over a long journey.

Pessimistic non-motor/light consumption:
If I use my lighting power measurements rather than the nominal rated ones, along with the actual times the lights and motor would have been used over then I get:

Total consumption = 0.27% * 320Wh = 84.4Wh
Total motor consumption = 1W * 7.66h = 7.66Wh
Total lights consumption(measured) = 6.5W * 8.5h = 65Wh
Total non-motor/light consumption = 84.4Wh - (7.66 + 65)Wh = 11.74Wh (pessimistic)

Even this more pessimistic number still seems low over a long day of riding when we consider how much data gets logged. (maybe around 1.3W/h). I think we could ride 8hours a day for 30 days and have every ride fully logged if the motor and lights were off and one could keep the phone charged.

Final thoughts
While I still like the "always on" nature of the lights for daily use I would still welcome the ability to override them on long journeys where I felt their benefit was negligable.
I could of course, just ride with the bike powered off completely - which it entirely feasible - but I like all the data I get. I'm not banking on Specialized doing a TDU firmware update that would allow us to turn the lights off but I might one day try a DIY solution with a switch if I find something elegant enough. I've seen at least one posted only but I thought the switch was too clunky. It would be interesting to know if the TCU hardware is capable of isolating the lighting supply circuits. Has anyone done a teardown on the Mastermind TCU?
 
Hi Stefan, Steve,

I read this thread with interest and I had been meaning to write down some observations and try to make some rough estimates of where non-motor power goes. Despite wanting to figure this out and being a bit obsessed with wanting to maximise battery capacity when I first got the bike, 7.5months and 3500km in, I am with generally happy that the lights on the bike are alway on. I felt a bit self conscious cycling in broad daylight with the lights at first, but I don't give it a second thought now. I think it's a nice touch from a safely perspective - even if not perfect.

However I have also done a few multiday rides, camping on route, where I have not taken my charger or a spare battery. For these I generally ride with the TCU powered, but without assistance, unless I feel I need it - usually when I'm either feeling a bit tired/lazy, a big hill where I run out of gears to keep a good cadence, or an annoying headwind.

From doing several rides like this I believe the the lights/tcu/sensors/etc are consuming not insignificant power. I just measured the current flowing through the front and rear lighting circuits, using both a relatively new Hall effect DC current clamp and a very old Fluke multimeter in series with the circuits.

Both indicated around 80-90mA for the rear light and around 400-470mA for the front. The closed circuit voltage across the lighting terminals was about 11.67V and the internal battery had just been fully charged. This would indicate my lights are operating a bit below Lezyne's rated consumptions @12V of 1.2W (rear) and 6W (front). This seems fine to me making allowances for manufacturing, temperature and supply variations.

Theoretical lighting consumption:
Using the nominal rated power for both lights (7.2W) it would seem the lights alone could drain a fully charged SL1-320 battery in around 44-45hours excluding other variables.
320Wh / 7.2W = 44.4h
7.2Wh/ 320Wh = 2.25% of capacity per hour)

Ride based stats:
I did a 100mile non-competitive event last month that used 27% of my battery according to the specialized app. I only used ECO assistance for 15mins over the ride and the App said average motor power over the ride was 1W. Elapsed time was 10 hours but the bike was powered up for no more than 8.5 to 9 hours. Moving time was 7h40m.

Optimistic non-motor/light consumption:
To make these calculations conservative I'm going to assume the average motor power and nominal lighting power were consumed over the entire elapsed time of the ride - rather than the moving and bike powered up times respectively.

Total consumption = 0.27% * 320Wh = 84.4Wh
Total motor consumption = 1W * 10h = 10Wh
Total lights consumption(rated) = 7.2W * 10h = 72Wh
Total non-motor/lights consumption = 84.4 - 10 -72 = 2.4Wh (optimistic)

This would indicate the power consumed by the TCU, it's display, bike sensors (cadence, speed, power meters etc), Blutooth comms with Specialized App on Iphone & ANT+ chest HRM is actually very low over a long journey.

Pessimistic non-motor/light consumption:
If I use my lighting power measurements rather than the nominal rated ones, along with the actual times the lights and motor would have been used over then I get:

Total consumption = 0.27% * 320Wh = 84.4Wh
Total motor consumption = 1W * 7.66h = 7.66Wh
Total lights consumption(measured) = 6.5W * 8.5h = 65Wh
Total non-motor/light consumption = 84.4Wh - (7.66 + 65)Wh = 11.74Wh (pessimistic)

Even this more pessimistic number still seems low over a long day of riding when we consider how much data gets logged. (maybe around 1.3W/h). I think we could ride 8hours a day for 30 days and have every ride fully logged if the motor and lights were off and one could keep the phone charged.

Final thoughts
While I still like the "always on" nature of the lights for daily use I would still welcome the ability to override them on long journeys where I felt their benefit was negligable.
I could of course, just ride with the bike powered off completely - which it entirely feasible - but I like all the data I get. I'm not banking on Specialized doing a TDU firmware update that would allow us to turn the lights off but I might one day try a DIY solution with a switch if I find something elegant enough. I've seen at least one posted only but I thought the switch was too clunky. It would be interesting to know if the TCU hardware is capable of isolating the lighting supply circuits. Has anyone done a teardown on the Mastermind TCU?
Wow!! That is a lot of technical research you've done!

It is a shame that Specialized didn't simply allow an on/off light function within the app for this bike.
 
I did a 3 hr ride without motor assistance and used 6% of the main and extender battery - so just lights and tcu.
Seems like your non motor consumption could be little lower than mine. But my calculations are a bit convoluted because of the very short period I was on motor power.

My overall estimate for non motor consumption Would be between
2.3% and 2.6% per hour. I really should just do I another long ride test without motor

Are you Vado SL 5.0 EQ with Mastermind TCU BioBheel?
Did you have a phone and HRM connected?
 
Wow!! That is a lot of technical research you've done!

It is a shame that Specialized didn't simply allow an on/off light function within the app for this bike.
LOL - possible more conjecture than science but I tired with what I had to hand. I should have just gone out and enjoyed another long spin but after giving the bike a deep clean - following a bit of a mucky one recently - I didn’t want to get it dirty again
 
Seems like your non motor consumption could be little lower than mine. But my calculations are a bit convoluted because of the very short period I was on motor power.

My overall estimate for non motor consumption Would be between
2.3% and 2.6% per hour. I really should just do I another long ride test without motor

Are you Vado SL 5.0 EQ with Mastermind TCU BioBheel?
Did you have a phone and HRM connected?
sl4 1.1 >> and it's just 12v led light - can easily add switch if you want - can access under tcu - two screws - lots of switch options exist - you could put bluetooth switch in-line and control with your phone during ride - so many options
 
decided to ride without power after i left - was based on how i felt going out - do you ride?
I do...an SL.... and often without motor power like you. My needs/rides/miles per week negate a reason to own an extended battery. I was just surprised that another rider that uses motor sparingly with an SL carries that (and seemingly unnecessary in your case) extra weight.
 
sl4 1.1 >> and it's just 12v led light - can easily add switch if you want - can access under tcu - two screws - lots of switch options exist - you could put bluetooth switch in-line and control with your phone during ride - so many options
I think I remember reading that some earlier bike were fitted with different lights so maybe the wattages have varied a bit.
I think I must be terrible at googling as I only found on picture after it had been implemented. I found a few switches on Amazon and eBay a while back but they all seemed to be chunky motorcycle ones. Bluetooth switch sounds interesting though - even if a bit sledgehammer/nut - will have a bit more of a dig.
I was hoping to find something as low key (or lower) as the TCU handlebar remote
 
Simple two pole switch for 99p off eBay and some spade connectors.

All sorted and no cutting wires so can restored to stock within five minutes if needed...
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Simple two pole switch for 99p off eBay and some spade connectors.

All sorted and no cutting wires so can restored to stock within five minutes if needed...
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Now that is really neat. I think I prefer that idea much better than having a handlebar remote. Is the switch waterproof? So I guess you are just running the tails from the switch back along the existing light cable?
 
Simple two pole switch for 99p off eBay and some spade connectors.

All sorted and no cutting wires so can restored to stock within five minutes if needed...
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You kind sir are a goddamn genius!
Now if only you did a step-by-step Youtube video which instructed all of us lemmings how to accomplish this bit of electrical engineering.....then I would award you with a medal!
 
Now that is really neat. I think I prefer that idea much better than having a handlebar remote. Is the switch waterproof? So I guess you are just running the tails from the switch back along the existing light cable?
No, its not waterproof but happy with its location, etc. I could have bought a waterproof version but they are slightly larger, so wouldn't have fitted as neatly into the existing bracket.
Re the tails, there is a short length of 4 core micro cable (two front/two rear as the front and rear lights are on separate circuits) running into the frame where the brake cable goes and all connected to the existing spade connections under the TCU.
 
As a reference, you can find documentation of the Turbo SL light system, allowable lights and wiring diagram on pages 32-34 of the "Turbo Creo 2 Rider's Workbook". It can be downloaded from the Specialized Support Center by navigating to the Turbo Creo 2 / Creo SL page. Dealers have access to a more comprehensive Turbo Studio Knowledge Base article `Guideline to wired lights` as part of their Specialized business app.

 
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