QuantumTwitch
Member
Hi folks,
This is my first post here. I’m in the US and looking to buy an ebike for myself and my wife. Boy am I glad I found this forum and all the great reviews as well. I’ve spent the last week researching and now I need to take it a step further and ask for help from the people with more knowledge of and experience with ebikes.
First the facts:
I’m 6’2” and 230 lbs. I’m not in great shape and never was able to cycle uphill or a steep incline. I just dismount and walk up. I have weak wrists and a weak lower back. I currently have a Giant Roam 2 (L frame) and have the following complaints:
My wife is 5’1” and has left the choice of what to ride up to me with her only constraint being that her’s has got to be a step through frame.
Where we want to ride:
Primarily trails - paved and unpaved in nearby parks and reserves. And roads around our neighbourhood when we can’t get to trails.
Brands available at shops near us:
Preference 1
I am deliberately staying away from cycles sold exclusively online. I strongly prefer being able to test out a cycle I think I might want to buy. I’d like to buy from a local shop and then go back to them for support whenever an issue arises.
OK so based on the information above I’ve come to the following preferences and assumptions.
Assumption 1
I should try to find a bike that allows a more upright position. Which leads to the preference below.
Preference 2
I want adjustable handlebars. To find a comfortable position that eases strain on my back and wrists. And to have the option to keep adjusting that when I need to. I don’t mind dropping it a bit when I want a lower position for some rides.
Assumption 2
I should use tires with a width between 2” to 3”. From what I could glean this width could be the best for the kind of surfaces we’re hoping to ride on.
As far as I can tell most hybrid bikes have wheels with a 27” - 28”. And that seems like the size I should aim for.
Preference 3
I don’t want a fat bike.
Assumption 3
Motor torque - more is good for my weight and inability to handle gradients. I’ve not yet done any test rides to figure out what I really need. But more can’t hurt?
Assumption 4
Suspension - I think I’d need at least a front suspension. And a rear suspension would be nice but not necessary? I keep reading about seat post suspension which seems like it’s an added bonus and could be added to almost any bike I would pick up?
Open questions:
How much of the cycle can and should I change at the shop?
If I like the setup except for one thing - say handlebars or tires would it always be possible to swap those out locally?
Drivetrain: Derailleur, Envilio or Rohloff?
I think this only affects R&M bikes since not many other manufacturers seem to have anything except derailleur setups?
Here are the bikes on my radar:
Trek
Verve+
Allant+
The Allant+ has quite a lot going for it: Gen 4 CX Bosch motors on the 7 and 8. 2.4” tires. The 7 has a front suspension fork. Trek has dealers all over so probably the easiest to find and service. Downside is the non adjustable handlebar stem.
The Verve has older/weaker motors.
Giant
Explore E+ 4
Fastroad E+ EX Pro
Plenty of torque. The explore tires are a bit narrow. And both have a forward leaning position which I’d want to adjust.
Specialized
Vado
Como
I think these bikes look beautiful. Tire width a bit below what I think I need at 1.8” or so. And I’d probably want to add an adjustable on the Vado if I went with that - is it possible?
Gazelle
Ultimate T10+
Ultimate T10
Very neat looking. The T10 has an integrated suspension fork vs the standard suspension fork setup on the T10+. Not sure how different that would feel. I think the bike was designed for a city commuter first. No CX motor just the Speed on the T10+. And the T10 has a previous generation Bosch with 65 Nm. Also the tires are 1.75” wide - something I think is narrower than what I should go for. Of course those could be swapped out?
Bulls
Cross Lite Evo
Lacuba Evo Lite
Lacuba Evo E8
Lacuba Evo E45
The Cross Lite Evo, Lacuba E8, Lacuba E45 are on sale from the manufacturer since they are from the previous model year. And now I notice the current model year for the Cross Live Evo has appeared with a Bosch Gen 4 CX in place of the Brose S Mag. So there’s a chance the others will be refreshed with different motors too? Would it be worth considering the previous model year with the Brose motors or wait for the refresh?
Riese and Muller
Delite/Superdelite
Charger/Supercharger
Nevo 3
So many options. Also at a price point above all the others in the list. I like the fact they have Gen 4 Bosch motors on all of these. And they seem to be for more of a middle path of roads and trails both. Then there’s the debate over derailleur/Envilio/Rohloff . I guess I won’t know what’s the difference until I ride one of each.
Really when doing all this research I think the one that resounded with me the most was the Moustache Samedi 27 X-Road. But for that I’d have to drive 400 miles to Propel in Los Angeles and then have nowhere local for Moustache service. Maybe the components are general enough for any ebike shop to service though? I don’t prefer this but damn that one really fit my mental model the most.
Now that the holiday weekend is over here, I’m going to be talking to local shops too and start scheduling some test rides .
In the meanwhile I’d love to get feedback - what did I get right or wrong? What did I miss out on considering that I should keep in mind? Hope to keep the discussion going until the purchase.
Thanks!
This is my first post here. I’m in the US and looking to buy an ebike for myself and my wife. Boy am I glad I found this forum and all the great reviews as well. I’ve spent the last week researching and now I need to take it a step further and ask for help from the people with more knowledge of and experience with ebikes.
First the facts:
I’m 6’2” and 230 lbs. I’m not in great shape and never was able to cycle uphill or a steep incline. I just dismount and walk up. I have weak wrists and a weak lower back. I currently have a Giant Roam 2 (L frame) and have the following complaints:
- The riding position puts too much weight on my wrists all the time. I’d love to be able to reduce that. I am aware that a more forward stance helps with control - which maybe required from time to time with the type of riding I want to do? I dunno.
- The frame size feels wrong to me. I quite often hit my knees on the handlebars when making a turn. The top tube feels too high when I’m standing over the frame.
My wife is 5’1” and has left the choice of what to ride up to me with her only constraint being that her’s has got to be a step through frame.
Where we want to ride:
Primarily trails - paved and unpaved in nearby parks and reserves. And roads around our neighbourhood when we can’t get to trails.
Brands available at shops near us:
- Bulls
- Magnum
- Raleigh
- Stromer
- Surface 604
- Gazelle
- Haibike
- Riese and Muller
- Yamaha
- Tern
- Trek
- Giant
- Specialized
Preference 1
I am deliberately staying away from cycles sold exclusively online. I strongly prefer being able to test out a cycle I think I might want to buy. I’d like to buy from a local shop and then go back to them for support whenever an issue arises.
OK so based on the information above I’ve come to the following preferences and assumptions.
Assumption 1
I should try to find a bike that allows a more upright position. Which leads to the preference below.
Preference 2
I want adjustable handlebars. To find a comfortable position that eases strain on my back and wrists. And to have the option to keep adjusting that when I need to. I don’t mind dropping it a bit when I want a lower position for some rides.
Assumption 2
I should use tires with a width between 2” to 3”. From what I could glean this width could be the best for the kind of surfaces we’re hoping to ride on.
As far as I can tell most hybrid bikes have wheels with a 27” - 28”. And that seems like the size I should aim for.
Preference 3
I don’t want a fat bike.
Assumption 3
Motor torque - more is good for my weight and inability to handle gradients. I’ve not yet done any test rides to figure out what I really need. But more can’t hurt?
Assumption 4
Suspension - I think I’d need at least a front suspension. And a rear suspension would be nice but not necessary? I keep reading about seat post suspension which seems like it’s an added bonus and could be added to almost any bike I would pick up?
Open questions:
How much of the cycle can and should I change at the shop?
If I like the setup except for one thing - say handlebars or tires would it always be possible to swap those out locally?
Drivetrain: Derailleur, Envilio or Rohloff?
I think this only affects R&M bikes since not many other manufacturers seem to have anything except derailleur setups?
Here are the bikes on my radar:
Trek
Verve+
Allant+
The Allant+ has quite a lot going for it: Gen 4 CX Bosch motors on the 7 and 8. 2.4” tires. The 7 has a front suspension fork. Trek has dealers all over so probably the easiest to find and service. Downside is the non adjustable handlebar stem.
The Verve has older/weaker motors.
Giant
Explore E+ 4
Fastroad E+ EX Pro
Plenty of torque. The explore tires are a bit narrow. And both have a forward leaning position which I’d want to adjust.
Specialized
Vado
Como
I think these bikes look beautiful. Tire width a bit below what I think I need at 1.8” or so. And I’d probably want to add an adjustable on the Vado if I went with that - is it possible?
Gazelle
Ultimate T10+
Ultimate T10
Very neat looking. The T10 has an integrated suspension fork vs the standard suspension fork setup on the T10+. Not sure how different that would feel. I think the bike was designed for a city commuter first. No CX motor just the Speed on the T10+. And the T10 has a previous generation Bosch with 65 Nm. Also the tires are 1.75” wide - something I think is narrower than what I should go for. Of course those could be swapped out?
Bulls
Cross Lite Evo
Lacuba Evo Lite
Lacuba Evo E8
Lacuba Evo E45
The Cross Lite Evo, Lacuba E8, Lacuba E45 are on sale from the manufacturer since they are from the previous model year. And now I notice the current model year for the Cross Live Evo has appeared with a Bosch Gen 4 CX in place of the Brose S Mag. So there’s a chance the others will be refreshed with different motors too? Would it be worth considering the previous model year with the Brose motors or wait for the refresh?
Riese and Muller
Delite/Superdelite
Charger/Supercharger
Nevo 3
So many options. Also at a price point above all the others in the list. I like the fact they have Gen 4 Bosch motors on all of these. And they seem to be for more of a middle path of roads and trails both. Then there’s the debate over derailleur/Envilio/Rohloff . I guess I won’t know what’s the difference until I ride one of each.
Really when doing all this research I think the one that resounded with me the most was the Moustache Samedi 27 X-Road. But for that I’d have to drive 400 miles to Propel in Los Angeles and then have nowhere local for Moustache service. Maybe the components are general enough for any ebike shop to service though? I don’t prefer this but damn that one really fit my mental model the most.
Now that the holiday weekend is over here, I’m going to be talking to local shops too and start scheduling some test rides .
In the meanwhile I’d love to get feedback - what did I get right or wrong? What did I miss out on considering that I should keep in mind? Hope to keep the discussion going until the purchase.
Thanks!