Great climbing ebike under 2k?

Hungry_Hunter

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I'm looking for a great climbing ebike under 2k. I would prefer a fat bike, hidden battery, above avg battery life. It's going to be used off road 95% of the time. I'm semi interested in the Eunora Fat AWD but I'm not sure how well it will climb mountains. Everything I've read says mid drives are better than rear hub motors. But the addition of a front hub motor might change that? Any advice, suggestions, etc? Thanks.
 
Running two hub motors is strange. Realize most hub motors are direct drive, which becomes efficient at speeds over 15. I have a 1200 W geared hub motor on my front, which handles many short 15% grades with gross weight 330 lb quite competently. That's on pavement. But you can't buy that much power in an assembled bike, they are illegal in most states. I bought mine as a kit and installed it on a 24 speed unpowered bike I bought to transfer my weight onto the front wheel. I have the battery mounted out front too, on fixed mounts in the frame so I don't swing the battery when I steer.
Long grades as Sierras and Rockies are not compatible with geared hub motors, they don't shed the heat as well as DD. As a result most vendors have quit selling them. Mid drives are fine if you intend to let the battery do most of the work. You have to keep up with the chain maintenance. I like to ride unpowered as much as possible, using the electricity to handle the 43 extra hills I added when I quit riding on state Rd 3. The geared hub motor doesn't drag unpowered, and the 16 extra pounds of motor & battery are negligable when I'm carrying 50 lb supplies to camp.
BTW my battery draw on 30 miles & 77 hills with half distance pedaled is 70% of a 17 AH 48 v battery. Downhills are coast of course. The 1000 W DD drive used more electricity. I'd hoped for 50 miles but those range calculations are a theoretical fantasy, IMHO.
 
Ok the overall grade is about 8% for roughly 3 miles. The steepest is about 18% but only for about 200-250 yds. Total weight wouldn't exceed 200 lbs. I have a rear hub 250w 36v e bike right now that doesn't cut it. Average speed would only be 2-4 mph while climbing. This e bike is going to be used for hunting and I wanted to eliminate as much sweating as possible. Total mileage on the battery for each trip would be no more than the climb, so about 3 miles. In your experience should I add another motor to this bike, or dump it for a mid drive?
 
36 volts 250 watts is not enough imo

you might be ok with a 750 watt hub or a mid drive

anyway you could test some out or rent some to try

maybe someone close to you could let you try theirs on the hills
 
Yes I would think it would be pretty easy to maintain 6 to 8mph with a powerful enough motor

Think it’s rare any of my bikes drop below six
 
I felt like it was too. I was basing that off the 2 times I climbed that mountain with the 36v 250w bike. I averaged about 3.6 mph but I also didn't want to break a sweat so I took it easy, due to the humidity and temps. I was hoping to double that.
 
My BBSHD-powered, single-gear Super 73 climbs (on highest pedal assist level) a 6-to-9% grade at 18 mph without issue.
 
Changing out the 250 w hub motor to serious power about $189 for a DD 48v 1000w with controller, brake handles & throttle. Plus a new 48 v battery, $400-700 depending on how much range you want. 3 miles of 8% is nothing, I wouldn't worry about a DD on that. My DD 1000 W would start me at 330 lb on 15%, (7/8" rise on 6" level) but it used a lot of electricity on all the hills I ride on. It would start dropping power due to minimum voltage uphill on the last couple of miles, whereas the geared hub gets me there with about 20% left.
If you can get a 48 v 1000 w geared hub even better, but I might have got the last MAC 10 front kit luna had at $500.
If you maintain your 36 v battery a geared hub can be bought from ebikeling and others. Most don't carry 48 v geared hubs anymore.
I'd say buy a 48v battery from lunabikes ebikeling or hicks says californiabike is good. I got **** for batteries from 4.8 star vendors on Amazon & ebay, ended up with quality 17AH from luna for $630.
My derailleurs & chain are OEM, 24 speed, 11-32 on the back, 30-42-52 on the front. Try to find a 11-32 in 7 speed freewheel, I never could. You'll have to go down to 7 speeds rear if you buy a DD rear hub motor, that is the max they will allow IMHO: without spreading the frame, which one should NOT do on an aluminum frame bike. Cast aluminum doesn't bend like hot roll steel.
Again, the advantage of a kit, you can buy 1000 W, unlike whole bikes that can't be sold in a lot of states with that kind of power.
If I start dead on 15% grade both motors will get up to 4 mph at 300 lb, but since we have rollers I bring in a lot of momentum from the previous hill and average about 9 over my 30 mile ride. Peaking at 30 mph at the bottom of the steepest grades.
 
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That might be something to try, just add a kit to the bike you have, maybe a bigger hubmotor and a 48V battery

Or a BBSHD mid drive

Or look at a radrover or something like that

I think if you could maintain 3.6 with a small hub motor like that seems like you would do pretty good with one of the more under powered euro bikes - but not sure you can find one under $2000, maybe one on sale somewhere
Crazy Lenny’s May have some on clearance or on sale, everything’s getting to the year end so the 2019’s should be on sale now or soon

And those guys really know bikes, they would probably have a better idea about climbing that grade of hill and what would work


Where are you located? If anywhere close to a big E bike shop where you can go test several of them that would be a good idea but crazy lennys does a lot of online stuff and they will ship it to you
 
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