Charger Replacement

[soyabean]

Just don't insist that yours is better because you paid through the A$$

Can you quote me where I said "better"?

And thanks for bringing it up, I am happy, I love paying "through the A$$". What else am I supposed to do with all my money, I have so much of it

 

[Gionnirocket]

Can you quote me where I said "better"?

And thanks for bringing it up, I am happy, I love paying "through the A$$". What else am I supposed to do with all my money, I have so much of it

ahhh... Now I get it, Canadian. Not much going on and not much to be proud of. I let you have your Grin

 

[soyabean]

ahhh... Now I get it, Canadian. Not much going on and not much to be proud of.

Yes. I am proud I can quote properly, not make up text that was never written, and not resort to insults because that's all that's left to be done

 

[Gionnirocket]

Yes. I am proud I can quote properly, not make up text that was never written, and not resort to insults because that's all that's left to be done

You're the one that went off on a tangent when I was talking about expensive proprietary hardware which the Satiator would not address. But keep trying to be relevant... and I'll keep twisting them

 

[st0ut]

You're the one that went off on a tangent when I was talking about expensive proprietary hardware which the Satiator would not address. But keep trying to be relevant... and I'll keep twisting them

This is not about expense, this is about logistics. You are confusing the issues.

My charger is not in route to me. via Bike24.

The smugness of the DIY crowd is a facade. when the forum is littered with smoking engines and batteries, wiring faults etc

Having said that we may do a DIY kit on my sons bike for college.

 

[conix67]

Grin Satiator definitely looks promising, if I ever look for a spare charger, I will seriously consider it. It appears to capable to handle just about any charging duties, not just ebikes batteries.

I looked into DIY kits briefly. It sounded like a logical solution and I like tinkering. However, after reading some experiences and people advising against them, I decided to get a properly designed and built ebike from ground up, which is why I'm here. You just can't hide all the wires and electronics inside an existing frame unless it's built for it. Just too much risk and hassle in the long run.

 

[m@Robertson]

Grin Satiator definitely looks promising, if I ever look for a spare charger, I will seriously consider it. It appears to capable to handle just about any charging duties, not just ebikes batteries.

I looked into DIY kits briefly. It sounded like a logical solution and I like tinkering. However, after reading some experiences and people advising against them, I decided to get a properly designed and built ebike from ground up, which is why I'm here. You just can't hide all the wires and electronics inside an existing frame unless it's built for it. Just too much risk and hassle in the long run.

Well... really its just one more set of mechanical skills. Its intimidating until you gain some experience and then its second-nature-simple. There's a standard of care and attention to detail that has to be paid, but you'd better be careful adjusting your bicycle's brakes too, or properly inflating the tires, and most folks have no issue with that ... once they learn the ropes.

Make no mistake I see - daily - DIY abominations put together by people who shouldn't be allowed to cut up a chicken patty at the dinner table without supervision. Some people are better served just writing a check and doing whatever else it is they are good at.

More on-topic to this thread, the Grin Satiator is, internally, pretty much the same thing as an LED power supply with a user interface screen grafted onto it. You can gain the same benefits of that variable current, variable voltage, weather-resistant, fanless long-life device whose MTBF is measured in the hundreds of thousands of hours - without spending the $300. I have a Satiator, but I also have two charging locations (home and work garages) plus on some of my bikes I have mounted the charger to the bike, which is do-able thanks to it being IP65-rated. A Satiator for each one of those applications would be a fortune.

Instead, buy the widely available core power unit, crimp on a plugin input cable (they work on EU power levels automatically; just pick your preferred grounded plug. An electric drill replacement cord from the hardware store works great). Add a watt meter to the output, inline and then your plug to your battery (do what Grin does and do a generic output that plugs to an adapter specific to an individual battery). The pots on the unit itself dial voltage and current. The unit supports CC and will automatically shift to CV as it approaches the dialed voltage target (thats the 'smart' charging people see where the charger tails off current slowly until it stops at the target voltage).

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Unfortunately the Satiator or a DIY clone will not help people with a proprietary system like the OP has. You are stuck with what they give you at the price they decide to sell it at, from the sources that have stock.

 

[PedalUma]

Grin Satiator definitely looks promising, if I ever look for a spare charger, I will seriously consider it. It appears to capable to handle just about any charging duties, not just ebikes batteries.

I looked into DIY kits briefly. It sounded like a logical solution and I like tinkering. However, after reading some experiences and people advising against them, I decided to get a properly designed and built ebike from ground up, which is why I'm here. You just can't hide all the wires and electronics inside an existing frame unless it's built for it. Just too much risk and hassle in the long run.

I make ugly wires and connectors vanish and they out run the bikes from stores. I will sometimes do all through frame wiring.

 

[soyabean]

The smugness of the DIY crowd is a facade. when the forum is littered with smoking engines and batteries, wiring faults etc

Exactly.

These same DIY folks are always on a crusade to preach how everyone should be DIY'ing it, and should any one dare buy a quality branded product, or buy their ebike from a LBS, they are seen as suckers for having "paid through the A$$".

Make no mistake I see - daily - DIY abominations put together by people who shouldn't be allowed to cut up a chicken patty at the dinner table without supervision. Some people are better served just writing a check and doing whatever else it is they are good at.

Agreed.

DIY has its merits only when it works out, but it is certainly not for most and not for everyone.

 

[Gionnirocket]

This is not about expense, this is about logistics. You are confusing the issues.

My charger is not in route to me. via Bike24.

The smugness of the DIY crowd is a facade. when the forum is littered with smoking engines and batteries, wiring faults etc

Having said that we may do a DIY kit on my sons bike for college.

And my point which you all want to side step is not about expense or which is better... It is for the third time about proprietary hardware that doesn't need to be... But seriously, I could care less.. Glad you found a charger in Germany and great dealer network you bought into. And your welcome for pointing you in the right direction.

And for my Canadian friend.. Just made a dongle for a battery that arrived today... Don't think they have this one and now we're closer to that dozen... you think you could put in a word at Grin for me

 

[conix67]

I make ugly wires and connectors vanish and they out run the bikes from stores. I will sometimes do all through frame wiring.

These are all ebikes? Impressive! Even batteries are hidden somewhere?

 

[soyabean]

 

[PedalUma]

These are all ebikes? Impressive! Even batteries are hidden somewhere?

In plain sight. One has a Gatorade dust cover that cost all of $1.87. Just chop off the unnecessary ugly bits.

 

[st0ut]

And my point which you all want to side step is not about expense or which is better... It is for the third time about proprietary hardware that doesn't need to be... But seriously, I could care less.. Glad you found a charger in Germany and great dealer network you bought into. And your welcome for pointing you in the right direction.

And for my Canadian friend.. Just made a dongle for a battery that arrived today... Don't think they have this one and now we're closer to that dozen... you think you could put in a word at Grin for me
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Follow up Giant came though with a charger as well. and for both chargers i will spend less than the grin satiator. so now I have redundancy.

Actually I did address the standardization issue you neglected to read it.

 

[st0ut]

In plain sight. One has a Gatorade dust cover that cost all of $1.87. Just chop off the unnecessary ugly bits.

So where do you keep your bottle?

 

[PedalUma]

Those are town bike builds. Thursdays are group ride days and we clock up a lot of miles with big climbs, so I will take a bike designed for that with a second cage for water. We will do a climb above the GG Bridge this week in the Marin Headlands. If I could only drink the 'juice' in the battery then I wouldn't need a second cage!

 

[st0ut]

Update. the first charger came in on the 2nd less than 1 week after the LBS requested it.

the cost was less than $200.00 USD YMMV based on location.

Turns out my LBS didn't know the full process on ordering replacement parts for the Ebikes.

Overall it was a scary but it looks like the supply chain is intact and all is well.

 

[tammin]

Those are town bike builds. Thursdays are group ride days and we clock up a lot of miles with big climbs, so I will take a bike designed for that with a second cage for water. We will do a climb above the GG Bridge this week in the Marin Headlands. If I could only drink the 'juice' in the battery then I wouldn't need a second cage!
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Hey Pedaluma - curious if your Thursday group rides are open rides. I live down the road from you in San Rafael, just picked up my first e-bike, and would be up for a ride like you described. (FYI, next Saturday there's a meetup group ride over the Richmond Bridge, staging at the Larkspur SMART train station, about 11).