Big guy looking at Falcon or Neo

titusmith

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So I'm a big guy (6'2", 220 lbs). I'm concerned I'll be too big for some of the bikes that have been reviewed. I'm a big fan of the Neo Cross, Neo Street and the Falcon 350. As far as bikes go, are these medium sized bikes and/or 350W motors too small for a guy of my size? I anticipate pedaling a lot, so I assume I'll use pedal assist most of the time, if that makes a huge difference.

I visited Falcon's website and they have another model available called the Falcon 1000. I'm drawn to that bike, especially because of its size. Anyone seen this bike before? Would you give me your thoughts? Here's a link: http://falconelectricbikes.com/products/falcon-1000w

I'm hoping to spend less than $3000 on a good bike. I travel around four miles a day for work, and I'd like something that will get me there sweat-free and cheap. Based on that, should look at something other than a Neo or Falcon?

Thanks!
 
Hi Titus! Great questions here... I used to work with a guy named Nick who just about fits your profile. Tall guy but fit and muscular, he weighed in the same range and I was uncertain how my ebike (the Neo Jumper) would respond to his weight and size. After work one day he came down to the parking garage with me and I just turned it over to him and told him to cruise up the ramps to see. I have to admit, it was a bit unsettling because I paid thousands of dollars for the bike out of my own pocket and used it every day to get to work. As it turned out, the bike did struggle a bit more going up the hills in throttle mode but it still made it and when he started pedaling (and using pedal assist mode) it really picked up. He was very impressed and thoroughly enjoyed the bike. After this experience I did some investigating and it turns out geared hub motors have a bunch of different ratings and peak outputs and the battery voltage comes into play etc. BH (makers of Easy Motion) have designed and tested their battery, controller and motors to integrate well and they do seem to offer more power and speed than a traditional 350 watt 36 volt combination (which I'd call average in terms of power). I would regularly hit 26 mph in pedal assist mode and never felt like the bike was struggling when I rode (though I'm 140lbs).

So, I've provided some qualitative feedback on power but the other part of your question was about frame size... Easy Motion actually offers several of their ebikes in larger sizes that could work quite well for you. Of the two you mentioned, the Neo Street comes in size medium and Large. I've attached the chart from their website below (and it's a bit confusing to me actually). It came from this page. The Neo Cross is the most popular review from Easy Motion on EBR so worst case you could probably find a buyer if it didn't work out :)

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I believe the Falcon 350 only comes in medium and while it's less well known than the BH bikes I've been in touch with the founder and he seems to offer good support. Since you're already trying to make the size/weight thing work I'd stick to Easy Motion or... consider getting a Pedego. They make one called the Interceptor that has a large 500 watt geared rear hub motor and 48 volt pack (but only offers throttle mode) and another one that might be perfect for you called the City Commuter that runs on the same specs but offers pedal assist! Note that it's pedalec vs. torque sensing which Easy Motion uses on their bikes. I owned and rode one of the first City Commuter bikes they launched in 2012 to and from work for a year and it worked excellently. Their frame sizes are pretty large and I actually opted to get the step-through (smaller frame) as a result even though I'm 5'9" and would usually prefer the high-step look.

More anecdotal thoughts here but the co-founders of Pedego are both larger guys, one is tall like you and and the other is just boxy. I bet they weigh as much as you and I know they get around just fine and have really designed their bikes to be capable haulers and hill climbers. The origin story for Pedego actually comes from one of them trying to get up this hill up to his house every day and getting frustrated with it. Their ebikes solved that... His name is Don and you can see a post from him right here (and see a picture of him in the user icon).

Given your budget, interest in pedal assist, physical constraints and desire to get something that will last and provide a great riding experience I'd say the City Commuter, Neo Cross or IZIP E3 Dash would be great choices (though the Dash isn't quite out yet and I'm not sure if it comes in a larger frame size). Feel free to expand your question, reach out on Don's Pedego thread or go in a different direction. I'll chime in again to try and help you out!
 
Titus,

If you go with that large Neo Cross or Neo City, I'd recommend upgrading to the 12 amp hour battery. That should offer plenty of range for big guys. We've got a 6'7" monster of a man here that fits on those larges.

I definitely agree with Court about the City Commuter. Those things are great.

You might want to look at the Prodeco Outlaw as well. The ride isn't as "nuanced", but if you want big power, big frames, big style and good components, it's worth a look. They have a 12 amp hour aftermarket battery, but you might be able to find one on the bike if you look hard enough.

-Chandlee
 
Great thoughts on battery size Titus! It's reassuring to hear that you've successfully fit the Neo ebikes to larger customers.

I'm curious to hear more about your experience with the ProdecoTech Outlaw. Admittedly I've only had limited time with the bike at Interbike 2013 but have heard several shops complain of people buying these electric bikes online, subsequently having trouble with them and then coming in for repairs. The shops I spoke with didn't feel equipped to handle the issues and had to order special parts. Specifically, the support rods holding the rear battery pack failed (the old design only had one rod on each side vs. two with the new models) and the pack itself would sometimes crack off and require a new shell.

The ProdecoTech bikes do seem to have solid components however. The oversized double crown suspension fork on the Outlaw is sturdy and offers great travel but in my experience the bike itself was very heavy and unbalanced since the battery is mounted so high and the front fork angle is pretty aggressive and long, like a bomber would be. For the video I took the bike off road and it felt unstable and almost unsafe. It seemed like all of those nice features that look cool really aren't that useful and if the bike ever tipped the battery could break and someone could even get hurt. But my experience is limited... I'm sure they are working on more improvements to the frame and battery design, maybe these issues I had aren't as relevant or are worth the trade off in cost to some.
 
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