Archon X1 question

[Daxxie555]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I already have an upgraded G510 motor with the 1000w Archon X1 controller on my bike now that I got last year. Just looking to have a spare to get me by in case or a breakdown.
Daxxie555 are you sure on those statements?
https://sales.wattwagons.com/ticket.php?track=J4A-QT9-VE3D&[email protected]&Refresh=62622

Yes, stock controllers also need calibrating.
The hall sensor signals are generated by a magnet on the rotor tip and a hall sensor on the controller.
The position of the rotor has to be calibrated in the controller.

Apparently it can be done by the Bafang Besst Tool and the correct credentials.
But I wasn't very successful with that.
Another way is a trial and error method that involves a needle that indicates north and south of the magnet.
Moving the magnet at a couple of degrees, install controller, test, reopen, reposition, test again..... Not easy and not very accurate.

 

[Cuz Vinny]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I already have an upgraded G510 motor with the 1000w Archon X1 controller on my bike now that I got last year. Just looking to have a spare to get me by in case or a breakdown.
Daxxie555 are you sure on those statements?
https://sales.wattwagons.com/ticket...&[email protected]&Refresh=62622

I wouldn’t be too concerned with motor breakdown. I’d be more concerned with chain stretch or chewing up a rear cassette with the torque these motors make. The motors are pretty reliable and if you need one you can just get a replacement from Pushkar. Much easier that way vs trying to install a controller and get it to work properly.

 

[kwseattle]

I've got a question for anyone who has configured their controller, can maximum speed limits be set for certain power modes?

WA State only allows class 1 and 2 e bikes on trails (whether it's enforced, I have no idea - this will be my first e bike), so I was planning on programming the first couple of eco settings with a maximum of 750 watts/20mph speed limit.

 

[BruceBrown]

I've got a question for anyone who has configured their controller, can maximum speed limits be set for certain power modes?

WA State only allows class 1 and 2 e bikes on trails (whether it's enforced, I have no idea - this will be my first e bike), so I was planning on programming the first couple of eco settings with a maximum of 750 watts/20mph speed limit.

Yes you can set them but keep in mind that is just motor assistance. You could still exceed that speed via pedaling just like if you were on a regular bike.

 

[Daxxie555]

I wouldn’t be too concerned with motor breakdown. I’d be more concerned with chain stretch or chewing up a rear cassette with the torque these motors make. The motors are pretty reliable and if you need one you can just get a replacement from Pushkar. Much easier that way vs trying to install a controller and get it to work properly.

Correct, they are pretty much bombproof with the X1/Innotrace controller.
I have 3 of them. 2 x 3500W and a 4500W version.
When they get too hot the controller dials back the max power untill they are cooled down.
They are protected against shortcuts and sparking.
Chains and cassettes.... that's a different story.

 

[Csubi]

My understanding is the controller comes restricted at 750W when the bike is delivered. You can use the programming cable to make it 1000W or even unrestricted if you so choose.

 

[greeno]

The motor I ordered is 1000w. Not buying a bike, motor only. Pretty sure the wattage perimeter is dictated by the dealer/supplier. Not a value that can be changed by the end user. You can restrict a % on the overall wattage to lower power available but you can't increase.

 

[Csubi]

When I ordered the bike, my options were 1000W or Unrestricted. I ordered the Unrestricted but after watching the AMA on YouTube, I went back to the site. The options are now 750W or Unrestricted.

So that's why I was asking. I'll have to look into it a bit more when I have the time.

 

[greeno]

Vinny your right about chewing up a rear cassette.

3 piece cogset: 21, 24, 28. I'm guessing I had been using the 24t cog most of the time seeing how the 21 is anchored to the actual hub body and the break is between that and the 24t. Broke out on a ride, just manually put the chain in the 32t and kept riding.

 

[greeno]

Csubi what bike are you referring to?

 

[Csubi]

Csubi what bike are you referring to?

Original Hydra. OG Hyrda? OGH? Hyrda Pro?

(Gotta get off these graveyard shifts...)

 

[onlineaddy]

When I ordered the bike, my options were 1000W or Unrestricted. I ordered the Unrestricted but after watching the AMA on YouTube, I went back to the site. The options are now 750W or Unrestricted.

So that's why I was asking. I'll have to look into it a bit more when I have the time.

You guys are talking about different things. The 750W restriction is on motor power from throttle use, not the full motor power level from the Archon X1 controller, which can go up to 2300W (or higher if you order the labs version). And unrestricted (w/throttle) just means up to the wattage level of the motor you ordered.

 

[Cuz Vinny]

Vinny your right about chewing up a rear cassette.
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3 piece cogset: 21, 24, 28. I'm guessing I had been using the 24t cog most of the time seeing how the 21 is anchored to the actual hub body and the break is between that and the 24t. Broke out on a ride, just manually put the chain in the 32t and kept riding.

Yup, been there done that. However not on the Hydra, yet. Shimano HG cassettes are one single body except for the first two cogs. That’s what I prefer to run.

 

[greeno]

So this is the same I think HG cassette that I previously had. Check the boxes below on the box.
11-42T = 1/2 x 11s is two bodies and cogs maybe?
The last box 11-46T = 1 x 11s would be one main body and 11 & 13 cogs? Or?

 

[Cuz Vinny]

So this is the same I think HG cassette that I previously had. Check the boxes below on the box.
11-42T = 1/2 x 11s is two bodies and cogs maybe?
The last box 11-46T = 1 x 11s would be one main body and 11 & 13 cogs? Or?
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You want a steel body cassette. Yours is aluminum.

Amazon.com : Shimano HG50 10 Speed Mountain Bike Cassette 11-36T : Sports & Outdoors

Amazon.com : Shimano HG50 10 Speed Mountain Bike Cassette 11-36T : Sports & Outdoors

www.amazon.com

 

[greeno]

Thanks for the tip. All separate cogs except 36 & 34t being riveted together correct?

 

[Cuz Vinny]

Thanks for the tip. All separate cogs except 36 & 34t being riveted together correct?

The first two smaller cogs are not riveted but the rest are.

 

[greeno]

As you can see by my pics it's the riveted assembly body that failed on mine. The thinner tab that holds the two larger gears is where mine broke. I would think less rivets and more actual slot mounting of the individual cogs on the hub would be better.

 

[Cuz Vinny]

As you can see by my pics it's the riveted assembly body that failed on mine. The thinner tab that holds the two larger gears is where mine broke. I would think less rivets and more actual slot mounting of the individual cogs on the hub would be better.

The biggest difference between the cassette you broke and the HG 10 Speed is the material they are made out of. Yours is made from aluminum and the HG is steel. Ive found a very durable setup is a steel free hub, the HG 10 speed cassett, and a KMC Ebike chain. I believe the Sunringle SRC hubs that came on my bike have a steel free hub so I added the HG cassette and KMC chain to my bike. Check out this video on the cassette

 

[Merle Nelson]

Yes.

Glad you put that attachment up by the way Rome. I have been going back through recent posts trying to find where someone posted the values for a WW Archon controller as it pertains to % of Torque sensing and % of Cadence sensing at different levels of PAS. Do you remember seeing that Rome? And know what thread it was posted in?

Actually I didn't search under torque sensing and cadence sensing, I'll try that.