Another new TQ motor: hpr40

[Rás Cnoic]

Makes sense. So the decision isTQ40 bike, 23-24lbs, 200W assist, 290whr battery ~$8K or TQ50 bike 27-28lbs, 300W assist, 360whr battery, $4-5K. What's the real world impact of 2-3 lbs have on the riding experience? Will 23 lb. feel lively and quick and road bike like and 28lb feel like riding a mountain bike on pavement? Is the extra assist and bigger battery something that is likely to come in useful?

I wish I could test ride these bikes but just not an option where I live. Thanks for everyone's help.

I'd suggest the lighter the better, that eye watering expensive Canyon Sub-10 (Kg) at 9.86Kg or 21.7lbs is astonishingly light. My Vado SL at 37lbs is sluggish compared to an analogue road bike (rides like a dream compared to a full fat ebike) Shame about the lack of test rides for you.

Also I wouldn't worry about battery size, at that kind of weight the aim s to ride it mostly off, just having the assist handy for hills/headwinds. In other words the lighter the bike the easier to ride with no assist, therefore the further you can get.

 

[stompandgo]

Makes sense. So the decision isTQ40 bike, 23-24lbs, 200W assist, 290whr battery ~$8K or TQ50 bike 27-28lbs, 300W assist, 360whr battery, $4-5K. What's the real world impact of 2-3 lbs have on the riding experience? Will 23 lb. feel lively and quick and road bike like and 28lb feel like riding a mountain bike on pavement? Is the extra assist and bigger battery something that is likely to come in useful?

I wish I could test ride these bikes but just not an option where I live. Thanks for everyone's help.

Mine feels like a flat bar premium carbon road bike, just what I wanted. Light, nimble, low center of gravity, with the ability to haul things and keep road junk off of me.

 

[apctjb]

@stompandgo; thanks for the input, remind me which bike you ride?

 

[stompandgo]

Cannondale Tesoro Neo X Speed
Pinarello Nytro E5 Allroad

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

Three more interesting takes on the Canyon Endurace ONFLY and its hpr40 motor. Don't be put off by the click-bait title.

I can relate to most of the points on my heavier hybrid Vado SL 1 — which on pavement very roughly approximates a low-power e-road bike in some respects.

Interestingly, one test rider mentioned that upping motor power seemed to draw more rider power out of him. Several of us have observed this phenomenon, which I've been calling the "carrot effect".

I feel the carrot effect quite strongly on my SL. Which is why my best workouts tend to occur in SPORT, not ECO or OFF. This counterinuitive twist might be of interest to serious roadies contemplating their first e-road bikes.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

Three more interesting takes on the Canyon Endurace ONFLY and its hpr40 motor. Don't be put off by the click-bait title.

I can relate to most of the points on my heavier hybrid Vado SL 1 — which on pavement very roughly approximates a low-power e-road bike in some respects.

Interestingly, one test rider mentioned that more motor power seemed to draw more rider power out of him. Several of us have observed this phenomenon, which I've been calling the "carrot effect".

I feel the carrot effect quite strongly on my SL. Which is why my best workouts tend to occur in SPORT, not ECO or OFF. This counterinuitive twist might be of interest to serious roadies contemplating their first e-road bikes.

I do love that bike! Just have to kill somebody to fund it.

I think the point is that even a low power motor like the Endurace Onfly/TQ40 can be used in a number of ways and each rider will settle into it to suit their needs. For me what is exciting is that that bike is far lighter then my steel frame all road bike (approx 21.6 v 27lbs) and so riding the Canyon with no assist on should be a lot of lightweight fun, saving the help for when you need it.

There is far too much guff written about ebikes especially by the roadie, anti ebike contingent who seem in fear of them. The motor is just a tool. That's it. And it's fun.

 

[stompandgo]

Not all roadies are against e-bikes. Only the dickheads.

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

Not all roadies are against e-bikes. Only the dickheads.

Agree. Tons of roadies out and about every day here in coastal SoCal. And in my 3.5 years and 6,500 mi here, I have yet to have a negative encounter with one while on my bike.

Occasionally join an informal Wednesday morning road ride out of Encinitas. Nearly all are card-carrying roadies, but they've been nothing but friendly and welcoming to me and my SL.

Typical ride: 20-30 riders, 20-35 miles, 50-120 ft/mi of climbing, almost all senior roadies of 50-80 years, some women. Many of the regulars are clearly lifelong cyclists. Some impressive equipment, some vintage.

These guys are fun, they're cyclists, they give me a good workout, and you generally can't argue with the scenery and weather on these rides. Glad I can join them without silly us-them stuff getting in the way.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

Agree. Tons of roadies out and about every day here in coastal SoCal. And in my 3.5 years and 6,500 mi here, I have yet to have a negative encounter with one while on my bike.

Occasionally join an informal Wednesday morning road ride out of Encinitas. Nearly all are card-carrying roadies, but they've been nothing but friendly and welcoming to me and my SL.

Typical ride: 20-30 riders, 20-35 miles, 50-120 ft/mi of climbing, almost all senior roadies of 50-80 years, some women. Many of the regulars are clearly lifelong cyclists. Some impressive equipment, some vintage.

These guys are fun, they're cyclists, they give me a good workout, and you generally can't argue with the scenery and weather on these rides. Glad I can join them without silly us-them stuff getting in the way.

I was referring to the usual anti ebike messages under that GCN video. They pop up every time someone talks positively about e road bikes as if it threatens their very souls. Such ridiculous anger.

 

[mschwett]

Three more interesting takes on the Canyon Endurace ONFLY and its hpr40 motor. Don't be put off by the click-bait title.

I can relate to most of the points on my heavier hybrid Vado SL 1 — which on pavement very roughly approximates a low-power e-road bike in some respects.

Interestingly, one test rider mentioned that upping motor power seemed to draw more rider power out of him. Several of us have observed this phenomenon, which I've been calling the "carrot effect".

I feel the carrot effect quite strongly on my SL. Which is why my best workouts tend to occur in SPORT, not ECO or OFF. This counterinuitive twist might be of interest to serious roadies contemplating their first e-road bikes.

so many of the reviews of the HPR40 bikes are from the UK, it’ll be very interesting to see how the motor fares at 25+ kph. in the UK these motors are basically only for hills. even with my much reduced output / exertion levels I go faster than that with no motor, and I’m certain all the people in these videos do too!

 

[stompandgo]

I was referring to the usual anti ebike messages under that GCN video. They pop up every time someone talks positively about e road bikes as if it threatens their very souls. Such ridiculous anger.

Clickbait. I'll give them a pass for a little of that. They have a business to run. It's the forum members spouting that crap that make me sad for them. They must have a very unhappy life.

 

[apctjb]

Quick note of thanks to all of you on this thread that helped me in the process of deciding if I should take the plunge and get an e-Road bike and which bike to start with! Its been an educational process!

Deciding between an ultra lightweight TQ40 based bike or lightweight TQ50 bike was a hard decision because I haven't had the opportunity to test ride either. I have decided to start with the BMC RoadMachine Amp X. Its 2kg heavier than the Fastlane but it seems like a bike I can use for both road and gravel with ~20% more range and power. There are a ton of gravel roads where I ride that I haven't explored because they are no fun on my Emonda SLR9. I plan on getting a second lightweight wheel set with 32-34 tires for road rides, and keep the stock wheels with gravel tires for riding gravel. I am hoping that sometime this summer to test ride a Fastlane and at least by then I will have something to compare it to.

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

Quick note of thanks to all of you on this thread that helped me in the process of deciding if I should take the plunge and get an e-Road bike and which bike to start with! Its been an educational process!

Deciding between an ultra lightweight TQ40 based bike or lightweight TQ50 bike was a hard decision because I haven't had the opportunity to test ride either. I have decided to start with the BMC RoadMachine Amp X. Its 2kg heavier than the Fastlane but it seems like a bike I can use for both road and gravel with ~20% more range and power. There are a ton of gravel roads where I ride that I haven't explored because they are no fun on my Emonda SLR9. I plan on getting a second lightweight wheel set with 32-34 tires for road rides, and keep the stock wheels with gravel tires for riding gravel. I am hoping that sometime this summer to test ride a Fastlane and at least by then I will have something to compare it to.

Congrats on your decision! We expect a full report when you've had some time on it. Any idea when that might be?

 

[apctjb]

Congrats on your decision! We expect a full report when you've had some time on it. Any idea when that might be?

I assume a week or so for delivery but I will be traveling in April so it might be May before I get in any riding time....

 

[Art Deco]

Where I live, the wind is constant. It's more of a factor than elevation, because I like to ride fast.

Too many people forget about wind, it's often worse than hills and you can't see it coming ...

 

[RunForTheHills]

Too many people forget about wind, it's often worse than hills and you can't see it coming ...

You just need to know where to look. I look at the weather app on my phone. That said, I can see Stomp's point. High winds in the areas that I ride are not common, but they do happen and are miserable when they do. Even for running.

 

[Art Deco]

I live at the top of the highest hill in town and coming home I get the wind and the climb at the same time when I am already tired. Big battery suck if I can even keep it climbing...

 

[stompandgo]

Our winds here are ever changing. I can ride out into a headwind and come back in a headwind. Also the other way around, out with a tailwind, etc. Those are the fun days.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

Our winds here are ever changing. I can ride out into a headwind and come back in a headwind. Also the other way around, out with a tailwind, etc. Those are the fun days.

Ah that lovely feeling when you've been fighting what you assume is the headwind for hours only to turn around to come home - and face straight into the actual headwind.

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

Our winds here are ever changing. I can ride out into a headwind and come back in a headwind. Also the other way around, out with a tailwind, etc. Those are the fun days.

Same variability here. In maybe 2,000 mi of coast riding in San Diego County, I can only remember 2-3 steady headwinds stiff enough to wear me down on my SL. All were around big winter storms off the Pacific.

Wind's seldom a factor on inland hill rides here. That includes the northerly and northeasterly Santa Anas we get in fall and winter. By the time they get this far south, the winds aren't bad from an ebike perspective.

Steady headwinds can be very draining and exhilarating at the same time. I'd much rather put 200W of rider power into, say, a steady 5% climb than into the equivalent steady headwind on the flat.