Another new TQ motor: hpr40

[Catalyzt]

Thank you for sharing your perspective Catalyzt it is helpful to know how others have dealt with this situation. Fortunately my wife and I are relatively young, she being 68 and myself 69. She also was physically fit prior to the surgery which has helped in her recovery, unfortunately though it doesn’t speed up nerve regrowth. I appreciate your complimenting me for caring for her, it is the least that I can do as she has always been there for me in the past plus when we got married 41 years ago part of our vows included “in sickness and in health”.
The swallowing issues are all to familiar to me as I have a late onset form of muscular dystrophy (thanks mom) known as OPMD (oculopharyngeal muscular dystrophy). It affects the eyelid muscles, throat muscles, and the proximal muscles which are the glutes, hamstrings, biceps, quadriceps, etc. Offspring have a 50% chance of acquiring it from a parent with the genetic mutation, I drew the short straw as I have two brothers and a sister that are not affected. My swallowing has been getting increasingly more difficult, I have to chew things very well and it takes me about an hour to finish dinner. Your advice on protein is spot on as within the past year I have added about 20 grams a day and I have had an increase in energy. I’m sure there is a feeding tube in my future, my mom had one the last year of her life, not looking forward to it.
Getting old blows, I want my 35 year old body back! I guess the best we can do is just keep moving until we can’t.
Best to you Catalyzt, hoping your recovery continues well.

Whoa... Just looked it up. OPMD is pretty obscure, though it shouldn't be. I was lead writer on the New York MDA Jerry Lewis Telethon for 10 years. (I'm not credited anywhere, fortunately, except in the credit roll at the end of the show.) We should have done a spot on it. We did spots on Duchenne, ALS, and most of the others, the names escape me now. (I am your age, and this was back in my 30s and 40s.)

My take on rare diseases and some muscular diseases: Some of the diagnostic categories I do not trust that much, and I don't always trust the prognosis. I have seen, with my own eyes, patients recover from very severe multiple sclerosis that has recovery rates in the low single-digit percentages. I've seen ALS patients who lived FAR longer than the outside estimate for survival, and have good-to-decent quality of life until the very, very end.

My illness has the opposite problem. Conventional wisdom used to be that once your antibody was positive, you always had the illness. That, I think, was the correct way to think about it. But slowly, this has changed, so that now, if the antibody goes back down to normal levels, you are considered in remission. 30% of us supposedly go into remission by this new thinking. So... why have I only met TWO patients with my illness who are over 65? I have scoured every support group and every forum. My guess is that they died of the autoimmune disorder, but it was classified as something else. (One patient was really upbeat and rode motorcycles. The other was, like, 'I'm ready to die now.' Sheesh!)

Anyway, there may well be a feeding tube in your future, and if that's how it works out, doesn't mean you did anything 'wrong.' But maybe you can kick the can way down the road. Compensatory strategies can get you a long way.

Oh, BTW -- an hour to finish DINNER? You are a SPEED DEMON compared to me! (And I'm about your age.) I take an hour to eat a sandwich and about an hour and 20 minutes to eat dinner! (And I'm still gaining weight!) It we're including dessert? Make that an hour and 45 for me.

I don't know your illness, I don't want to be toxically positive, I'm just trying to cheer you guys up!

I got the Canyon GRIZL out of deep storage in the closet today. I'm going out this week-- probably just riding in circles around the cul-de-sac. I know eBiking helped keep me fit enough to survive my recent ordeal.

Dragging this post back vaguely on-topic, it really helps to have a lightweight bike when you're recovering from an illness... just to get it out the front door, if nothing else!

And I love these small motors. As I was telling our handyman today as we wrestled the bike to a more usable launching spot: My wife will insist on refurbishing her acoustic bike, no matter what the expense. Then she will try riding it around the Hollywood Hills.

Then, I think, we'll make an eBiker out of her yet!

 

[Rás Cnoic]

Phew! Prefer their perfect lightweight motors! You chaps get an (ever so small) shout-out in the next vid btw.

Tut tut Yako

Very comprehensive full review. You've got a real easy going knack for presenting.

Bet the edit was fun, all those little detail close up shots!

I'm going to have to rob the post office to get hold of that bike. It ticks every box.

 

[Yako]

Lol

Tut tut Yako

Very comprehensive full review. You've got a real easy going knack for presenting.

Bet the edit was fun, all those little detail close up shots!

I'm going to have to rob the post office to get hold of that bike. It ticks every box.

Lol Rás! You’ll have to find one open before you can rob it! Many thanks. TQ are sending one of their test road bikes with an HPR60 next. Should be interesting to feel the difference.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

Lol

Lol Rás! You’ll have to find one open before you can rob it! Many thanks. TQ are sending one of their test road bikes with an HPR60 next. Should be interesting to feel the difference.

Yes that'll be v interesting!

The only thing in your full review that I'm not keen on & it's a general thing is one piece bars & stem. It's a pet peeve of mine. I just think as we are all different shapes and sizes, short arms, long arms and so on, bike brands should be moving towards more sizing options not less. But Canyon aren't alone in decisions like this. Probably shaves off a few grams as well.

 

[Yako]

Yes that'll be v interesting!

The only thing in your full review that I'm not keen on & it's a general thing is one piece bars & stem. It's a pet peeve of mine. I just think as we are all different shapes and sizes, short arms, long arms and so on, bike brands should be moving towards more sizing options not less. But Canyon aren't alone in decisions like this. Probably shaves off a few grams as well.

I know what you mean - but I absolutely love the look of them! At least Canyon have devised bars that are width adjustable and can be easily lowered…the stem length is size related too…but overall, this is definitely something that should be customisable - preferably before purchase with these DTC brands. Saying that, I’ve just realised I’ve never checked purchasing options as I’ll never be able to afford one so haven’t looked…

 

[Calcoaster]

Lol

Lol Rás! You’ll have to find one open before you can rob it! Many thanks. TQ are sending one of their test road bikes with an HPR60 next. Should be interesting to feel the difference.

It will be great to get your impressions of the difference between the hpr40 and hpr60. Aside from the increase in power in the high level, I wonder if you’ll feel a difference if they’re set to give the same support.
And I agree with Ras about the one piece cockpit being a pretty extreme limitation for some. I did see a rider of acoustic canyons say in a forum that they were able to adapt a standard stem to the steerer but it sounded iffy to me.
In case anyone missed it here’s Yako’s final report of the canyon:

 

[mschwett]

I know what you mean - but I absolutely love the look of them! At least Canyon have devised bars that are width adjustable and can be easily lowered…the stem length is size related too…but overall, this is definitely something that should be customisable - preferably before purchase with these DTC brands. Saying that, I’ve just realised I’ve never checked purchasing options as I’ll never be able to afford one so haven’t looked…

canyon’s approach to this is pretty dumb, IMO. unless i’m mistaken you can’t even buy the bar in various sizes. maybe someday?

i have two road bikes (one electric) with one piece cockpits and i LOVE them. sleek, light, stiff but with carefully tuned compliance. in both cases the manufacturer offered a pretty big range of sizes from 80 x 380 to 130 x 440 or so. widely available at the time. with spacers from 0 to 50mm allowed, seatpost adjustment, seat rail travel, 5 frame sizes, and cranks of varying sizes you could get a bike in either of these brands that fit you perfectly.

from what i can tell on canyon’s site you can’t even order the bike with different stem lengths, or buy the bar to swap yourself?

 

[Calcoaster]

That’s a good point about getting a reasonable fit with an integrated cockpit, at least one that gives you 50mm of spacers to raise it with. I didn’t know they had that capability. I think I read the canyon has 15mm of adjustment. And as you said it doesn’t appear that they have ‘stem’ length options. Maybe they’ll come up with an adapter work around at some
point.

canyon’s approach to this is pretty dumb, IMO. unless i’m mistaken you can’t even buy the bar in various sizes. maybe someday?

i have two road bikes (one electric) with one piece cockpits and i LOVE them. sleek, light, stiff but with carefully tuned compliance. in both cases the manufacturer offered a pretty big range of sizes from 80 x 380 to 130 x 440 or so. widely available at the time. with spacers from 0 to 50mm allowed, seatpost adjustment, seat rail travel, 5 frame sizes, and cranks of varying sizes you could get a bike in either of these brands that fit you perfectly.

from what i can tell on canyon’s site you can’t even order the bike with different stem lengths, or buy the bar to swap yourself?

 

[stompandgo]

All the pros ride cockpits. That's why they're mainstream on high end road bikes now.

 

[BlackHand]

It says it comes with the CP0048 cockpit, so I think in addition to the built in adjustable width of 370-420mm, you can swap in a different CP0048 t-bar stem. The stem is available in 70-140mm lengths. Interesting modular approach - you get much of the benefit of a one piece cockpit with some of the flexibility of a two piece.

They do call out that you need to run new brake lines if going more than 10mm longer than the original stem. Not surprising, but something the bike shop would take care of with a brand that sells through dealers.

Canyon CP0048 PACE T-Bar

Canyon PACE T-Bar (CP0048): Modular cockpit system for performance road bike forks. T-Bar for interchangeable drops incl. Gear Groove interface for various cockpit accessories.

www.canyon.com

 

[mschwett]

It says it comes with the CP0048 cockpit, so I think in addition to the built in adjustable width of 370-420mm, you can swap in a different CP0048 t-bar stem. The stem is available in 70-140mm lengths. Interesting modular approach - you get much of the benefit of a one piece cockpit with some of the flexibility of a two piece.

They do call out that you need to run new brake lines if going more than 10mm longer than the original stem. Not surprising, but something the bike shop would take care of with a brand that sells through dealers.

Canyon CP0048 PACE T-Bar

Canyon PACE T-Bar (CP0048): Modular cockpit system for performance road bike forks. T-Bar for interchangeable drops incl. Gear Groove interface for various cockpit accessories.

www.canyon.com

ok, that makes way more sense !

i wonder how much the weight penalty is compared to a lightweight one piece. my one piece weighs 255 grams total, replacing both stem and bar. i’m guessing this is more like 350?

 

[BlackHand]

ok, that makes way more sense !

i wonder how much the weight penalty is compared to a lightweight one piece. my one piece weighs 255 grams total, replacing both stem and bar. i’m guessing this is more like 350?

Hard to say. The specs on the Endurace OnFly page say 224g, but that has to be just the t-bar and not the drops or vice versa. If the weights on Canyon's site for the parts are correct- then the t-bar with aero drops would be 440g.

I have a 280g one piece waiting to swap onto my bike this winter. My bike came with a FSA setup, so found a cockpit I can drop onto the ACR headset without too much fuss. Should save about 235g but more importantly add a little comfort.

 

[stompandgo]

That modular system is interesting, first I've seen like that. You would think that a modular system would weigh more than a one piece all things considered, but you never know. The new Dogmas come with an integrated cockpit. Like everything else that's great to look at, it's a pain to service.

 

[Chazmo]

Hi gang. I think I’ve gleaned what I can from these posts, but can one of you confirm/deny my new understanding of what you mean by “one-piece cockpit?” I think what you guys are saying is that the bar stem and the handlebar itself are all “one piece.” Is that the entirety of the bicycle “cockpit?” And, is there anything more that composes the cockpit?

In the case of the Canyon CP0048, that would be a “two-piece,” then? I.e., because the bar attaches to the stem (T-bar)?

Thanks in advance. Just trying to follow the conversation!

 

[stompandgo]

Take a look at the link @mschwett posted. The stem and bar center are one piece and available in various stem lengths. The bar ends are available in various widths. This way you can adjust the stem length and bar width independently.

A one piece is just what it says. The bars and stem are laid up together. This is a Pinarello cockpit:

You purchase it in a stem length/bar width combination, i.e.:

Sizes:

40/80 - 42/90 - 42/100 - 42/110 - 42/120 - 42/130 - 44/90 - 44/100 - 44/110 - 44/120 - 44/130 - 44/140 - 46/100 - 46/110 - 46/120 - 46/130 - 46/140

If those bar width numbers seem wide, they are. Pinarello/Most use the outside/outside metric, not center to center like everybody else.

 

[mschwett]

Hi gang. I think I’ve gleaned what I can from these posts, but can one of you confirm/deny my new understanding of what you mean by “one-piece cockpit?” I think what you guys are saying is that the bar stem and the handlebar itself are all “one piece.” Is that the entirety of the bicycle “cockpit?” And, is there anything more that composes the cockpit?

In the case of the Canyon CP0048, that would be a “two-piece,” then? I.e., because the bar attaches to the stem (T-bar)?

Thanks in advance. Just trying to follow the conversation!

hi, yes, a cockpit is the stem and the handlebar as one piece.

the advantage is in weight, looks, aerodynamics, and the ability (if carbon fiber) to tune each of the junctions for strength and stiffness and damping which make the bike much more comfortable without adding shock absorbers or other kludges. several less fasteners as well. disadvantage is cost and inability to change the stem length or angle without replacing the whole thing.

coincidentally specialized just released a new version of their lightest cockpit. it’s 15 grams heavier than the old one lol. https://www.specialized.com/us/en/roval-alpinist-cockpit-ii/p/1000256681?color=1000256686-1000256681

 

[stompandgo]

Technically, the cockpit also contains your saddle and pedals. It's everything that touches your body that you use to control the bike. Component manufacturers use the term loosely.