Another new TQ motor: hpr40

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Rás Cnoic said:
Tut tut Yako ;)

Very comprehensive full review. You've got a real easy going knack for presenting.

Bet the edit was fun, all those little detail close up shots!

I'm going to have to rob the post office to get hold of that bike. It ticks every box.
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Lol Rás! You’ll have to find one open before you can rob it! Many thanks. TQ are sending one of their test road bikes with an HPR60 next. Should be interesting to feel the difference.
 
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Yako said:
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Lol Rás! You’ll have to find one open before you can rob it! Many thanks. TQ are sending one of their test road bikes with an HPR60 next. Should be interesting to feel the difference.
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Yes that'll be v interesting!

The only thing in your full review that I'm not keen on & it's a general thing is one piece bars & stem. It's a pet peeve of mine. I just think as we are all different shapes and sizes, short arms, long arms and so on, bike brands should be moving towards more sizing options not less. But Canyon aren't alone in decisions like this. Probably shaves off a few grams as well.
 
Rás Cnoic said:
Yes that'll be v interesting!

The only thing in your full review that I'm not keen on & it's a general thing is one piece bars & stem. It's a pet peeve of mine. I just think as we are all different shapes and sizes, short arms, long arms and so on, bike brands should be moving towards more sizing options not less. But Canyon aren't alone in decisions like this. Probably shaves off a few grams as well.
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I know what you mean - but I absolutely love the look of them! At least Canyon have devised bars that are width adjustable and can be easily lowered…the stem length is size related too…but overall, this is definitely something that should be customisable - preferably before purchase with these DTC brands. Saying that, I’ve just realised I’ve never checked purchasing options as I’ll never be able to afford one so haven’t looked…
 
Yako said:
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Lol Rás! You’ll have to find one open before you can rob it! Many thanks. TQ are sending one of their test road bikes with an HPR60 next. Should be interesting to feel the difference.
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It will be great to get your impressions of the difference between the hpr40 and hpr60. Aside from the increase in power in the high level, I wonder if you’ll feel a difference if they’re set to give the same support.
And I agree with Ras about the one piece cockpit being a pretty extreme limitation for some. I did see a rider of acoustic canyons say in a forum that they were able to adapt a standard stem to the steerer but it sounded iffy to me.
In case anyone missed it here’s Yako’s final report of the canyon:
 
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Yako said:
I know what you mean - but I absolutely love the look of them! At least Canyon have devised bars that are width adjustable and can be easily lowered…the stem length is size related too…but overall, this is definitely something that should be customisable - preferably before purchase with these DTC brands. Saying that, I’ve just realised I’ve never checked purchasing options as I’ll never be able to afford one so haven’t looked…
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canyon’s approach to this is pretty dumb, IMO. unless i’m mistaken you can’t even buy the bar in various sizes. maybe someday?

i have two road bikes (one electric) with one piece cockpits and i LOVE them. sleek, light, stiff but with carefully tuned compliance. in both cases the manufacturer offered a pretty big range of sizes from 80 x 380 to 130 x 440 or so. widely available at the time. with spacers from 0 to 50mm allowed, seatpost adjustment, seat rail travel, 5 frame sizes, and cranks of varying sizes you could get a bike in either of these brands that fit you perfectly.

from what i can tell on canyon’s site you can’t even order the bike with different stem lengths, or buy the bar to swap yourself?
 
That’s a good point about getting a reasonable fit with an integrated cockpit, at least one that gives you 50mm of spacers to raise it with. I didn’t know they had that capability. I think I read the canyon has 15mm of adjustment. And as you said it doesn’t appear that they have ‘stem’ length options. Maybe they’ll come up with an adapter work around at some
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mschwett said:
canyon’s approach to this is pretty dumb, IMO. unless i’m mistaken you can’t even buy the bar in various sizes. maybe someday?

i have two road bikes (one electric) with one piece cockpits and i LOVE them. sleek, light, stiff but with carefully tuned compliance. in both cases the manufacturer offered a pretty big range of sizes from 80 x 380 to 130 x 440 or so. widely available at the time. with spacers from 0 to 50mm allowed, seatpost adjustment, seat rail travel, 5 frame sizes, and cranks of varying sizes you could get a bike in either of these brands that fit you perfectly.

from what i can tell on canyon’s site you can’t even order the bike with different stem lengths, or buy the bar to swap yourself?
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It says it comes with the CP0048 cockpit, so I think in addition to the built in adjustable width of 370-420mm, you can swap in a different CP0048 t-bar stem. The stem is available in 70-140mm lengths. Interesting modular approach - you get much of the benefit of a one piece cockpit with some of the flexibility of a two piece.

They do call out that you need to run new brake lines if going more than 10mm longer than the original stem. Not surprising, but something the bike shop would take care of with a brand that sells through dealers.

www.canyon.com

Canyon CP0048 PACE T-Bar

Canyon PACE T-Bar (CP0048): Modular cockpit system for performance road bike forks. T-Bar for interchangeable drops incl. Gear Groove interface for various cockpit accessories.
www.canyon.com www.canyon.com
 
BlackHand said:
It says it comes with the CP0048 cockpit, so I think in addition to the built in adjustable width of 370-420mm, you can swap in a different CP0048 t-bar stem. The stem is available in 70-140mm lengths. Interesting modular approach - you get much of the benefit of a one piece cockpit with some of the flexibility of a two piece.

They do call out that you need to run new brake lines if going more than 10mm longer than the original stem. Not surprising, but something the bike shop would take care of with a brand that sells through dealers.

www.canyon.com

Canyon CP0048 PACE T-Bar

Canyon PACE T-Bar (CP0048): Modular cockpit system for performance road bike forks. T-Bar for interchangeable drops incl. Gear Groove interface for various cockpit accessories.
www.canyon.com www.canyon.com
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ok, that makes way more sense !

i wonder how much the weight penalty is compared to a lightweight one piece. my one piece weighs 255 grams total, replacing both stem and bar. i’m guessing this is more like 350?
 
mschwett said:
ok, that makes way more sense !

i wonder how much the weight penalty is compared to a lightweight one piece. my one piece weighs 255 grams total, replacing both stem and bar. i’m guessing this is more like 350?
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Hard to say. The specs on the Endurace OnFly page say 224g, but that has to be just the t-bar and not the drops or vice versa. If the weights on Canyon's site for the parts are correct- then the t-bar with aero drops would be 440g.

I have a 280g one piece waiting to swap onto my bike this winter. My bike came with a FSA setup, so found a cockpit I can drop onto the ACR headset without too much fuss. Should save about 235g but more importantly add a little comfort.
 
That modular system is interesting, first I've seen like that. You would think that a modular system would weigh more than a one piece all things considered, but you never know. The new Dogmas come with an integrated cockpit. Like everything else that's great to look at, it's a pain to service.
 
Hi gang. I think I’ve gleaned what I can from these posts, but can one of you confirm/deny my new understanding of what you mean by “one-piece cockpit?” I think what you guys are saying is that the bar stem and the handlebar itself are all “one piece.” Is that the entirety of the bicycle “cockpit?” And, is there anything more that composes the cockpit?

In the case of the Canyon CP0048, that would be a “two-piece,” then? I.e., because the bar attaches to the stem (T-bar)?

Thanks in advance. Just trying to follow the conversation! :)
 
Take a look at the link @mschwett posted. The stem and bar center are one piece and available in various stem lengths. The bar ends are available in various widths. This way you can adjust the stem length and bar width independently.

A one piece is just what it says. The bars and stem are laid up together. This is a Pinarello cockpit:

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You purchase it in a stem length/bar width combination, i.e.:

Sizes:

40/80 - 42/90 - 42/100 - 42/110 - 42/120 - 42/130 - 44/90 - 44/100 - 44/110 - 44/120 - 44/130 - 44/140 - 46/100 - 46/110 - 46/120 - 46/130 - 46/140

If those bar width numbers seem wide, they are. Pinarello/Most use the outside/outside metric, not center to center like everybody else.
 
Chazmo said:
Hi gang. I think I’ve gleaned what I can from these posts, but can one of you confirm/deny my new understanding of what you mean by “one-piece cockpit?” I think what you guys are saying is that the bar stem and the handlebar itself are all “one piece.” Is that the entirety of the bicycle “cockpit?” And, is there anything more that composes the cockpit?

In the case of the Canyon CP0048, that would be a “two-piece,” then? I.e., because the bar attaches to the stem (T-bar)?

Thanks in advance. Just trying to follow the conversation! :)
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hi, yes, a cockpit is the stem and the handlebar as one piece.

the advantage is in weight, looks, aerodynamics, and the ability (if carbon fiber) to tune each of the junctions for strength and stiffness and damping which make the bike much more comfortable without adding shock absorbers or other kludges. several less fasteners as well. disadvantage is cost and inability to change the stem length or angle without replacing the whole thing.

coincidentally specialized just released a new version of their lightest cockpit. it’s 15 grams heavier than the old one lol. https://www.specialized.com/us/en/roval-alpinist-cockpit-ii/p/1000256681?color=1000256686-1000256681
 
Technically, the cockpit also contains your saddle and pedals. It's everything that touches your body that you use to control the bike. Component manufacturers use the term loosely.
 
Calcoaster said:
Another hpr40 bike just showed up: Scott Fastlane. I see three models, the top one weighs 9.9kg. The specs show max assist speed “28mph US” so they are, or will soon be available in the U.S.
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Well spotted Cal. So Scott get in first In the US! Prices are pretty high compared to Canyon but not unexpected with tariffs on the TQ bits at least, and not Direct-to-Consumer. And the enviable 28mph cut-off! Bah.
Not sure the price will necessarily put everyone off…this is a niche bike, and the best money can buy…people will always buy ‘the best’.
 
I don't know. The frame may not be top level carbon, but a major manufacturer Dura-Ace Di2 equipped bike with Zipp 353 NSW wheels for $12K is analog bike pricing, and you get a motor.
 
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