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    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    We have a Verve+ as well, which my wife rode for a while before the Fx+. The Bosch motor is very smooth and quiet. I am actually riding the Verve now as my second e-bike, as the wider tires work well on gravel rail trails near Denmark - that is Denmark the small town on the south coast of...
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    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    Bear in mind a lot of cheaper e-bikes don't have a torque sensor, just a cadence sensor, so motor assist is applied whenever the pedals are turning. So, you can "cheat" and get motor assist just by turning the pedals over without applying any effort. Bikes like the Vado give very smooth motor...
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    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    I have a Vado SL 4.0 and my wife has a Trek Fx+, which we purchased after giving up waiting for another Vado in Australia mid 2022. If it was up to me, I would have returned the Fx+ as the drive is nothing like the Vado, despite it having a torque sensor. The main problem is that the control...
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    Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

    I regularly use Vaude panniers on my Vado SL 4.0 EQ. I previously posted some photos at Post in thread 'Panniers for Turbo Vado SL EQ 5.0' https://electricbikereview.com/forums/threads/panniers-for-turbo-vado-sl-eq-5-0.47935/post-519033 Compared to many other panniers they sit quite high...
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    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    The main problem isn’t the delay. It is that the motor power is constant and not in proportion to rider power. The bottom bracket torque sensor also measures cadence so it should perform better than it does. Ignoring start-up, once the bike is moving the controller should be able to compare...
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    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    Removing the rear wheel is certainly a little more complicated than usual, but not too bad once you know what to do. The rear hub has hex head bolts either side, with bushes to match the frame dropouts which prevent the axle from rotating under motor torque. These bolts require a long 5 mm hex...
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    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    That is my conclusion. It could also be that the control system is “proportional” but the “gain” associated with the torque sensor input is way too high so that a small torque value results in close to full motor response. The Hyena web site indicates that their torque sensors do produce an...
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    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    That could well be the case as most people would naturally pedal and apply some torque, whereas I deliberately pedalled with zero torque to test the effect.
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    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    I found that simply turning the pedals was not sufficient to engage the motor. Bikes with cadence sensor only typically apply motor power whenever pedal rotation is detected even if no force (torque) is applied. I had to apply some torque but just a small amount of torque would engage virtually...
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    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    What is the source of your information? Trek spare parts listing indicates a torque sensor in the bottom bracket.
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    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    There is an accompanying video review as well and the reviewer made a similar comment.
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    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    There is a very recent review of the Fx+ Stagger (mid step) version on EBR. Unfortunately, the reviewer doesn’t comment on the smoothness of the motor boost in terms of effectiveness of torque sensor.
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    Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

    Giant make some very similar ones. https://www.pushys.com.au/giant-ergo-max-plus-lock-on-grips-black-grey.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhZWY2YXm-gIVTw4rCh2qTgdaEAQYAyABEgIxGPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds I have Giant grips, but not bar ends, on my Vado SL which I transferred from my Giant Toughroad because they...
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    Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

    This looks like them. Model is Targa. https://www.leisurelakesbikes.com/97143/products/specialized-bg-contour-targa-gripbar-end-black.aspx Might be tricky to find any: https://www.bikeforums.net/hybrid-bicycles/1143306-struggling-specialized-bar-ends-grips-availability.html
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    Trek's version of the SL?

    Trek’s strategy of having different platforms for Entry Level and Top End models seems quite reasonable to me. While I don’t disagree with the quality and design of Specialised SL bikes, the price puts them out of reach for many people, so having an entry level option with the backing of a...
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    Trek's version of the SL?

    There is also a much cheaper Domane+ AL road bike which has an aluminium frame (vs. carbon fiber) and uses a Hynena drive similar to the Fx+. Based on experience with my wife’s Fx+, I don’t think it is anywhere as good as my Vado SL, mainly due to the lack of proportional control of electric...
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    Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

    The max motor power is set to 100%. In reality, this doesn’t make any difference to me as my goal is not to maximise range. I think I would have to generate something like 700 W in Eco to get max power from the motor, which isn’t going to happen. Based on virtual riding on FulGaz, I can...
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    Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

    A few weeks ago, I adjusted the Eco mode on my Vado SL from the default 35% boost to 20%. The main aim was to make me work a little bit harder and, hopefully, get a bit fitter as I didn’t need the 35% boost most of the time. I have done several rides since up to 55 km, and only resorted to...
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    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    A friend who is very experienced working on bikes says 9 speed gears are the “sweet spot” in terms of reliability and the thinner chains and cogs with higher gear numbers can cause problems. Personally, I have never had major problems with the drivetrain probably because my power output is on...
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    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    I am well aware of Yamaha company. I own a Yamaha musical instrument. But Yamaha branded bicycles are non-existent here in Australia and don’t rate a mention on the Yamaha Motor Australian website. https://www.yamaha-motor.com.au/ I am interested to hear what the situation is in Europe...
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