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I've never heard of this company until a few minutes ago, but noticed the ST-1 with Bionix 350 and the MD-1 with shimano steps heavily discounted. Can anyone comment on their quality, or those two motors ?

I met up with Windward today and we rode 13.2 miles on USFS gravel roads with lots of elevation change. We are both about the same age and weight with similar bikes, so we compared battery usage on our ride. He used 28% of his battery on his Giant Full-E+3 (FS yamaha) and I used 27% on my easy...

There is a way, but you need permission (or forgiveness) from two entities. It's a little dicey.

That's a good price for the 500 and definitely your best option. If you are doing that many off-pavement miles, you will be glad you have full suspension. How can you go from Linville to Banner Elk and stay off the pavement the whole way ? The only way I know is Camp LutherRock...

To put it in perspective, the last eight miles on the road Windward is riding up to BR is the steepest road in North Carolina...

Now that i know the route, I need to back track...a full suspension is not overkill. That's miles and miles of bumpy gravel forest service roads.

Good points..., but when 90% of the mtbers in Asheville/Brevard are vehemently opposed to e-mtbs, it does give you pause.

Like I said earlier, if you can gradually wean yourself off the sport mode as you get in better shape, it will make a huge difference with your range...but that's a heckuva lot of climbing from Linville.

Oh Jeez, I can't believe you are taking that route, there's alot of climbing after you cross the bridge at Graggs, and then going up the globe road...500 wh may not be enough. I'm not even sure that my bike with 600wh would make it. If the LBS is going to rake you over the coals, just get...

The reviews would be much more helpful if you did an actual range test for each bike in the setting for it's intended use.Also, expand top rated to include bikes in 1k increments.

They should know better. Anyone who pays extra money for a full suspension bike is getting it for the ups and downs, so those figures are completely bogus. If you using the bike as intended (singletrack) in the mountains, I doubt you would even get 15 miles on a full charge.

I know there are alot of variables, but keep the actual range info coming. It may help a prospective buyer to make a better decision rather than taking the manufacturers word as gospel.

Unless you really need the full suspension, the Dirt-E models have 500w for alot cheaper price, not to mention the ToughRoad models.

If you return it, you might want to consider an e road bike rather than a full suspension e-mtb...your bike is overkill for that road.

yea, right off the bat there is a big climb from Linville to Grandfather Mountain on 221. A longer but more gradual route would be going up Roseboro road, but still alot of climbing either way.

It may also help to lockout your suspension.

Try staying out of the sport setting...I know that road, the uphills will suck your battery down in a hurry in the sport setting. Air up to max psi and ride in a lower gear on the hills.

What level of assist are you riding in ? Huge difference in battery consumption from low to high. That 2000 feet altitude gain in 9 miles is the culprit.

That looks to be the minimum price for a 2018 full suspension with mid-drive and good components. I wonder how many folks are willing to spend that kind of money without having access to most federal trails ?

So, would you say the yamaha motor is going to give you the best range among the mid-drives ? If you are touring, are you still going to get the same mileage with another 20 pounds on the bike ?