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  1. J

    If you buy a bike with a Bosch motor, who owns the motor?

    You have my utmost respect and when it comes to touring with Bosch mid drives you know the best. You have brought some interesting points so let me elaborate. The $450 figure was a guess for the manufacturing cost. You are correct, when warranty is introduced the price will definitely increase...
  2. J

    If you buy a bike with a Bosch motor, who owns the motor?

    I understand your point but I dont think it is the case. First of all given the prices of the parts it is highly unlikely that this motor costs more then $850 to manufacture(I would be surprised if the manufacturing cost is more than half of that (~450), also you can purchase them without...
  3. J

    If you buy a bike with a Bosch motor, who owns the motor?

    Your complaint is completely valid and you have every right to seek an answer. I wish you didn't let them return the motor though. I don't believe that being "proprietary" means the company can ask an item which is already paid off back for nothing. Once again if it was an exchange or warranty...
  4. J

    We need to stop blaming victims in bike theft!

    I can imagine how frustrated you are since it was your way of transportation and you actually chased those scum. I even had nightmares where something similar was happening to me. Thieves are the ones to blame and they should be prosecuted accordingly. That being said, you are taking the...
  5. J

    If you buy a bike with a Bosch motor, who owns the motor?

    Stop making nonsense assumptions who said anything about european grey market etc. wth ? I am talking about brand new motors that are sold and shipped by online bike shops in the States. And the price is also in $800s. Also it should be possible to simply give the bikes model/vin number to...
  6. J

    If you buy a bike with a Bosch motor, who owns the motor?

    What setup are you talking about? The only problem maybe tire circumference since Bosch likes to lock it and even in that case it can be communicated with the seller to make sure that it comes right or pay a bosch lbs $50 to change it with the dongle they have. Whatever, let's not change the topic.
  7. J

    If you buy a bike with a Bosch motor, who owns the motor?

    ' ~$300 before taxes is still a considerable amount. If you have a torque wrench and a cheap bike toolset it can easily be done. That is not the issue though, they charged you labor plus the price of a new motor(actually you can purchase a brand new motor online for a bit less). I also never...
  8. J

    If you buy a bike with a Bosch motor, who owns the motor?

    That sounds complete BS. You can purchase a new Bosch motor from an online retailer for that price(~850$) and none of them is an exchange or will ask for an old broken motor to be shipped back. On top that shop charged you ~$400 for labor. Make sure that you keep your old motor.
  9. J

    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    How did you come to this conclusion? What is your method to measure the amount of power motor supplied vs rider input? Those cadence measurements has a significant delay that is the problem. These bottom bracket sensors are not the best for power measurement. Good power meters cost a lot and...
  10. J

    2023 Trek Fx+ and Dual Sport+

    Imo, the problem you describe is a result of torque sensor not being at the motor axle. If you measure torque at the axle the controller can immediately modulate motor torque accordingly. In this system, gear ratio is not known, that is the controller does not know which cog your derailleur is...
  11. J

    Are mid drives just naturally less zippy than hub motors?

    Lol, yeah motors dont have feet. whatever.
  12. J

    Are mid drives just naturally less zippy than hub motors?

    I know no such typical definition. Here are some definitions from well known dictionaries "a vehicle with two wheels tandem, handlebars for steering, a saddle seat, and pedals by which it is propelled", "a road vehicle with two wheels that you ride by pushing the pedals with your feet"...
  13. J

    Are mid drives just naturally less zippy than hub motors?

    A mid vs hub zippiness thread, lovely! As stated a million times, Hub motor rpm depends on speed , mid motor rpm depends on the cadence. The reason why Hubs feel zippier is most likely a result of the need to change gears with a mid drive to keep it at the right rpm. Most likely the reporter...
  14. J

    New Stromer flagship ST7

    Like the pinion (I really wanted that setup), abs and larger battery. But the weight ...
  15. J

    My DIY builds: GMAC, BBSHD, 9C RH212, CYC Photon, ToSeven DM01

    I don't think this is true. Regen braking should not be creating the kind of heat motor generates when climbing a steep hill. Btw regen is nice but the real benefit is braking which is great.
  16. J

    My DIY builds: GMAC, BBSHD, 9C RH212, CYC Photon, ToSeven DM01

    That should solve your issue with non-instantaneous assist feeling compared to your other bikes.
  17. J

    How many links in chain?

    Seems like it is very dusty but dry where you ride. Wax will be perfect.
  18. J

    How many links in chain?

    It is an xtr di2. Use your current chain to get the count. On a side note, I have been waxing my chain for more than a year now and it is one of the best decisions I have ever made.
  19. J

    Undertaking legal actions against Watt Wagons

    I don't know the legal side things and I understand the supply chain issues. However I think WW should understand the investor side of things and make sure to refund their money asap. This is really not looking good for you at this point.
  20. J

    Yamaha Wabash suspension fork?

    Something like Rockshox Paragon should work nicely and it is a capable trekking fork. Make sure that headset is compatible.
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