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Thats a good point; Carbon does seem perfectly suitable based on many bikereview sites; but aluminum just seems more.. logical for the offroad application

Understood; Thank you

Do your pedals spin out above 20mph on your vado with the smaller chainring?

Lol actually, question on chainring! If you have a 46t chainring on a hybrid bike (on a Powerfly FS4 or Tero for example).. Will this be really poor on trails or is it usable offroad and only rough if you need to go up very steep hills? I'm curious if you can use a standard FS bike as a commuter...

haha ok willdo!

Havent seen that site before, ill check em out; TY!

Actually, after doing some research based on the insights posted here, I think im looking for the best cost:components:battery size ratio on a Trail bike under 10k. I think alloy or aluminum would be preferential, but carbon seems to be pretty prevalent on the higher end bikes; the issue seems...

After reading Stefan Mikes post, no; but when youre searching XC bikes, the Levo and Kenevo come up together often and its difficult to differentiate between the two use cases

This makes; I didnt know which bikes, correlate best to which and for what purpose, so I figured by searching whatever forum consensus felt were best, i'd be able to cross compare and see differences and so forth.

You are always extremely helpful and I appreciate that. Your post helped me understand the questions to ask on this type of bike, and also what to search for to help narrow down and focus options in this space. Thank you much for the detailed comparison info!

You came to thread on a forum discussing e-bikes to post that nonsense?

For non-extreme trail riding, are there any upgrades that should be made to theTurbo Levo Comp Alloy? Tires, fork, entire drivetrain etc? Also how would this bike compare to other options such as the Cannondale Moterra Carbon Neo 1 or 2, and the Trak Rail 9.7-9.8?

Does anyone have experience in how the Moterra Neo Carbon 1 compares on trail riding to the Levo and trak Rail 9 series?

I came across this vide of a guy shredding a rough looking trail on a Trek Rail 9.9 and it made me curious as to what would be considered the best Full Suspension Trail bike currently? Also, when would a heavier bike be more ideal than a lighter carbon bike? or a lighter motor like the Levo...

Ill check them out; Thank you!

Lol I happened upon them which is what got me interested initially! Has anything changed or still absolutely loving the ride? Do you have insights on how the bike compares to your Allant as well?

Thank you so much for the insightful post Tyson!

I think I was looking mainly at how a Powerfly may ride in comparison to the 8+ to possibly converge the two bikes that I currently ride but it may make more sense to keep them separate. Also looking at Vados as there's a member here, Stefan Mikes, who has been SUPER helpful and has shown how...

Thanks helix! Will DM

Thank you for the fantastic insights. This makes alot of sense