The transition

[kevinmccune]

Consider an alternate perspective: It is tough for US manufacturers to compete with a foreign product that is subsidized by their government. If we allow these products in, damage our industry, more power to China in the US. That is a bad thing by the way, no balls need to analyze, just a brain.

Do you support cutting auto workers wages down to that of chinese auto worker to reduce US product cost?

No,I do however support "Parity",this became a big thing when steel prices skyrocketed back in the day.

 

[Roamers]

o a seemingly affordable 7 yr or longer year payment schedule for something that would be hard pressed to last that long

In my younger days, I'd agree vehicles were past their useful life in less than 7 years. Not today. I'll also say, if one needs a 7 year loan, they are buying too much vehicle.

 

[kevinmccune]

If one can believe AI summaries, the worldwide EV market is up approximately 25 percent while in the Untied States it is down 25 percent. It doesn't take balls to figure out why.

And also when you mention "balls" you seem to imply that we need to implement North Korean-style juche. In order to protect innocent Americans from someone selling a product at a lower price, I guess. In some parts of America we still believe in Capitalism.

Bluntly the problem with the American auto industry is that it hasn't been ran by people who actually build cars since the Eisenhower years. And you won't fix that problem with protectionism. You'll just make it worse.

"too big to fail"(look at them now.all this schise riding on the backs of the people,making sure the majority will never have anything their own( even in the best case scenario you have 3 yrs to pay for your right to call something your own,you cant opt out,it will be wrest from your shaky hands.

 

[Art Deco]

I started this thread maybe 3 or 4 years ago. Looks like we are still on the right side of history.

Tour de Planet

Are bikes DEI, or are they a miracle? (Or both?)

open.substack.com

 

[Chargeride]

Because I dont watch terrestial tv, or the big 5 mainstream channels..whatever you call it..legacy media..
I miss out on what the masses devour and watching the game last night it refreshed my conceptions, firstly Google Gemini was being hammered, but just the logo, no obvious push more than the brand itself.
EVs were everywhere, mostly budget models, but the only tech spec was kwh of the batteries, and that is being chosen as the selling point , no mileage or recharge rate or performance.
Gone were the approved diverse occupants cruising empty dream roads, they were very much...heres the car.

 

[kevinmccune]

I started this thread maybe 3 or 4 years ago. Looks like we are still on the right side of history.

Tour de Planet

Are bikes DEI, or are they a miracle? (Or both?)

open.substack.com

thank you that was very informative,though I wax nostalgic for the "Boomer" days I realize we are at a crossroad,the next generations fond remembrances need to be of being towed along in a bicycle trailer,doubled or the first nice ebike, rather then the odious debt inducing infernal carriages that are wrecking the ecosystem,more govt money needs to be in the form of grants for things like neighborhood attractions the community store within walking or biking distance,we need to form respectful,elbow room rich communities rather then segregated ghettos filled with hate and crime,the welfare system definitely needs reform ,I wish for high speed rail( which apparently is never going to happen in this country or commuter EV air taxis( which are feasible now) it might be even a good idea to restore states sovereignty rather then the corpus enslaved to special interests and the plutocrats on the beltway.
Right now I am concerned that the DAs on "Capitol Hill" are going to get the rest of the world against us and somewhere somehow we are going to be thrust back into the early 1800's comparative level overnight,Nuff said!

 

[Art Deco]

thank you that was very informative,though I wax nostalgic for the "Boomer" days I realize we are at a crossroad,the next generations fond remembrances need to be of being towed along in a bicycle trailer,doubled or the first nice ebike, rather then the odious debt inducing infernal carriages that are wrecking the ecosystem,more govt money needs to be in the form of grants for things like neighborhood attractions the community store within walking or biking distance,we need to form respectful,elbow room rich communities rather then segregated ghettos filled with hate and crime,the welfare system definitely needs reform ,I wish for high speed rail( which apparently is never going to happen in this country or commuter EV air taxis( which are feasible now) it might be even a good idea to restore states sovereignty rather then the corpus enslaved to special interests and the plutocrats on the beltway.
Right now I am concerned that the DAs on "Capitol Hill" are going to get the rest of the world against us and somewhere somehow we are going to be thrust back into the early 1800's comparative level overnight,Nuff said!

I think I agree mostly...

 

[Chargeride]

The issue is this is only a dream for comfortable , liberal westerners.
The rest of the world doesnt give a pookies, their lives now are the struggle of using far less convenient technology and arent lining up to back pedal from what they watched us enjoy for a 100 years.
It has to be as good as what it replaces and thats a very high bar.

Cheap private vehicles with continent covering ranges in luxury and safety.

It will be a long haul and the only quick fix is 'only for the very rich'.

 

[mschwett]

The issue is this is only a dream for comfortable , liberal westerners.
The rest of the world doesnt give a pookies, their lives now are the struggle of using far less convenient technology and arent lining up to back pedal from what they watched us enjoy for a 100 years.
It has to be as good as what it replaces and thats a very high bar.

Cheap private vehicles with continent covering ranges in luxury and safety.

It will be a long haul and the only quick fix is 'only for the very rich'.

nah. it'll be like telephones. africa jumped straight to cell phones and many parts of the world will jump straight from cheap, simple, crappy old vehicles to electric vehicles. why? not necessarily because it'll save the planet (it depends where the electricity comes from) but because they're far, far cheaper and simpler. orders of magnitude less moving parts, and very few expensive ones. look at china. incredibly rapid switch to EVs, not just among the wealthy.

they'll also jump from energy scarcity and expensive fossil fuels to energy abundance and cheap solar, wind, hydro, and storage.

free electricity in australia mid-day, an equivalent amount of new solar and battery in california to twelve nuclear plants in three years, all the new global demand this last year met with green power, 50%+ of household heating with heat pumps in the nordics... most of these things are happening not because anyone is saving the world, but because it's cheaper and better.

 

[RunForTheHills]

If Africa gets cheap electricity in the next 10 years, it will be because another country like China funded it in order to exploit the natural resources found there. I won't hold my breath though. It seems like most countries and corporations are putting those resources into building AI data centers. Making life better for the average citizen in developed countries is not high on their priority lists, let alone in third world countries. And China is a faux third world country with first world resources.

 

[Chargeride]

They are coming after us for the industrial revolution, you cant leverage global heating as a political tool without the rest of the world noticing.

The ambulance chasers are sniffing dollars in the air, and this advisory ruling is the seeds of a real threat.

ICJ Climate Ruling: £4trn Risk for the UK?

ICJ advisory opinion on climate change could expose the UK to £4trn in reparations and spark fresh climate litigation, warns Policy Exchange.

www.edie.net

This would be very interesting as the entire climate science and actual damage done would be openly scrutinised for evidence and facts.

 

[Chargeride]

The 10GW data centre in Cheyenne Wyoming will require an amount of power to generate electricity comparable to the Hiroshima bomb every hour
72 Terajoules, 50% being lost to heat just in its creation snd transmission, the rest lost in the chips internal resistance, cooling aparatus etc.

 

[Chargeride]

Im pretty confident the people building this stuff are the same people trying to scare everyone about global warming in the media.
The absolute fk u slimespeak from the CEO.

 

[kevinmccune]

Where are the "diamond" chips that were supposed to revolutionize electronics?

 

[Chargeride]

They were destroyed by gas turbine zealots.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

If Africa gets cheap electricity in the next 10 years, it will be because another country like China funded it in order to exploit the natural resources found there. I won't hold my breath though. It seems like most countries and corporations are putting those resources into building AI data centers. Making life better for the average citizen in developed countries is not high on their priority lists, let alone in third world countries. And China is a faux third world country with first world resources.

You need to read history a bit more carefully.

The way China industrialized in the last forty-odd years was through foreign investment. Mostly American.

The way America industrialized in the late 1800s was through foreign investment. Nearly all from Europe and much of it British.

I predict that in forty years time old farts in China will be on a forum very much like this one lamenting the cheap stuff they buy from Kenya...

Ethiopia Leads EV Revolution In Africa - CleanTechnica

When Ethiopia banned the import of conventional cars two years ago, many were skeptical. But the policy has been highly successful.

cleantechnica.com

 

[Chargeride]

Telegraph UK
Europe has handed Vladimir Putin a €6bn (£5bn) boost this year after buying a record amount of gas from a key Siberian plant…
Russia’s Yamal export hub sent 136 tankers of liquefied natural gas (LNG) to European buyers in the first half of this year, with the largest volumes going to France, Belgium and Spain.

Meanwhile farcical pantomime boardings of Russian tankers

 

[kevinmccune]

They were destroyed by gas turbine zealots.

say what? these carbon based chips were supposed to revolutionize micro electronics(wait I am detecting tech that maybe had to go underground like the AG reveal back in the 50's ( tell its not so and marketable-I could see the military uses for this tech)

 

[indianajo]

2 problems with disconnecting from the electrical grid.
1. I live in a county where it rains 220 days a year. Solar does not pay off.
2. Theft. I live 7 months in a flood risk city with full services. I live 5 months in a rural zone 20 miles from ozone, which makes me cough. There is no food for diabetics out there; nearest is in the city where my city house is. County doesn't plow the country roads for days. Country has electrical rates double the city and LPG unavailable when it freezes. The LPG companies do not have block heaters on their diesel trucks and don't drain the fuel filters so don't have your LPG blown out a broken window in December. I just installed a $12500 heat pump out there to avoid hauling barbeque LPG tanks out in my pickup daily to avoid the pipes freezing. Shoveling 14" of snow 70' three times to permit access by the LPG man that did not come as scheduled was especially annoying. Solar panels would be ripped off the roof and carried off by some entrepreneur with a pickup truck in the winter. They already bash out walls and rip out the copper wiring out there. If perps don't break a window and steal the computer and all electronics, as they did last December. Bigfoot took the data modem, roof cable and a $62 video projector in December. $400 in LPG blown out the window. Fiber data service was just installed, making it possible to hook up a burglar alarm out country for $80/mo. if perps are not equipped with wifi jammers, or don't turn off the electricity before breaking the window. Hammer proof polycarbonate window covers will be >$12000, TBA. In the city, while I was in the country September 2020, an entrpreneur with a Jeep Cherokee stole $44000 of tools, media, sound equipment, musical intruments from the city house. Would cost $15000 to harden the windows in the city against a man with a hammer.

 

[mschwett]

it seems like maybe you should move somewhere less problematic, where you can stay year round and do what basically everyone else does : take reasonable precautions and get insurance. the things you're describing are not normal problems and have nothing to do with electrification of cars, bikes, heating and cooling, etc...