Riding with music: Any attempt to sync cadence with beat or vice versa?

Syncable tempo/cadence ratios
Turns out, there are certain tempo/cadence ratios that can point you to tempos likely to sync to your cadence — or cadences likely to sync to a given tempo.

Let B = the musical tempo in bpm — preferably the one you tap out yourself without thinking. And let C = the cadence of interest in rpm. Then look for B/C ratios of 1, 4/3, and 2 for synchronous pedaling.

The unexpected 4/3 ratio produces somewhat weaker syncs than the other two. But with very strong grooves and some practice, the syncs are still plenty strong enough to produce good melds.

At C = 90 rpm, that means music with tempos of B = 90, 120, and 180 bpm. Lots of music I like out there with these tempos — especially near 120 bpm.

But nothing magic about 90 rpm. If your preferred cadence C = 80 rpm, then look for B = 80, 107, or 160 bpm music to sync with it. Not a lot of music I like at 80 or 160 bpm out there, but a good bit near 107 bpm.

Conversely, if you find a tune you love with a really strong groove at 130 bpm (fairly common), a cadence of 130 rpm is probably out of the question, but you still might be able to sync with it at 65 or 98 rpm.

Another way to go about finding syncable music is to specify an acceptable cadence band and then map out the corresponding tempo bands at B/C ratios of 1, 4/3, and 2.

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This is the band map for my low-torque cadence band at 80-100 rpm, here shown in orange. Cadence C is on the horizontal axis, tempo B on the vertical.

The red, blue, and green lines correspond to B/C ratios of 1, 4/3, and 2, respectively. The red horizontal tempo band covers all the tempos my cadence band can sync to at B/C = 1. Ditto for the blue tempo band at B/C = 4/3, and the green tempo band at B/C = 2.

There's a narrow tempo band gap at B = 100-110 bpm and a wider one at B = 130-160 bpm. But this map shows that most tempos from 80 to 200 bpm are syncable from a cadence band of C = 80-100 rpm.
 
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This morning, I flipped through my 120 bpm walking playlist while walking the dog and copied 24 promising high-groove tunes to the 90 rpm cycling playlist for saddle testing (where safe to do so) on this afternoon's 22 mi coast ride to Cardiff Beach and back.

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Took quiet side streets wherever possible to get in more safe listening.

Now that I know how to sync at the 4/3 tempo/cadence ratio, all 24 passed their auditions with flying colors.

o Cake by the Ocean, DNCE
o Doctor You, DNCE
o Turbo, Cory Wong
o Hardtop, Cory Wong
o Roller Coaster, Dirty Loops
o Best of My Love, The Emotions
o Turn It Out, The Emotions
o Love Again, Dua Lipa
o Don't Start Now, Dua Lipa
o What Is Hip, Tower of Power
o Only So Much Oil in the Ground, Tower of Power
o Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, Tower of Power
o Ain't No Mountain High Enough, Marvin Gaye
o Boogie Wonderland, Earth, Wind, and Fire
o Sing a Song, Earth, Wind, and Fire
o Let's Groove, Earth, Wind, and Fire
o All I Wanna Do, Cheryl Crow
o Chameleon, Herbie Hancock
o Higher Ground, Stevie Wonder
o Do I Do, Stevie Wonder
o Long Train Runnin', Doobie Brothers
o Mr. Briefcase, Lee Ritenour
o Ability to Swing, Patti Austin

In terms of music+mind+body+bike meld power, the standouts were Best of My Love, Ain't No Mountain, Doctor You, Boogie Wonderland, and the Cory Wong and Dua Lipa numbers.






Stats were pretty typical for my coast rides, but thanks to the synchronous pedaling to high-groove music, the 1:50 moving time felt like half that, and perceived exertion was much reduced.
 
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Can't wait to saddle-test this just-discovered original masterpiece from Leonid & Friends tomorrow:


Remarkable music, groove out the wazoo, 184 bpm pulse, gorgeous vocals floating above that stunning bass line. Can't miss!

And what an orchestra!! I'll have visions of Ksenia singing it dancing in my head the whole time.
 
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As expected, The Speck of Dust (see last post) passed its auditions for both the 90 rpm cycling and 120 bpm walking playlists.

Pedal strokes and footsteps sync to different rhythmic layers when the driving bass is present, neither of them the bass itself. But the syncs are strong either way, and they persist through the bass-less symphonic sections if you pay attention.

I like the English lyrics by Leonid Vorobyev and Roman Vorobyev (yes, that Leonid):

When you find yourself in (a) vicious cycle
Searching for some truth in useless titles
Seems so complicated
Too sophisticated
See the world created (is) just the speck of dust

Refrain:
There’s no time
There’s no place
Only spirit full of grace
You can sing
You can fly
Now you sure will never die
No more tears
No more pain
Cause’ you found yourself again
Shining light
On your way
To the total freedom

You had been a lone and wasteland rover
When you realized the game is over
Leave the false temptations
Free imagination
See the whole creation (is) just the speck of dust

The video above documents a truly remarkable performance of a deeply original piece of music that defies classification.
 
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So what's up with this big Russian band Leonid & Friends blowing the doors off American classics like Ain't Nobody and Boogie Wonderland and original world music masterpieces like The Speck of Dust?? (All linked above.)

Yes, could be a bunch of Russian spies running the musical version of a giant honey-pot operation in the US. But they've come up with a remarkable cover story for Leonid & Friends, and I'm going with it. Cuz I really do think that music unites us all.


Everybody says they're even better live, and we're gonna find out in Solana Beach on November 11. Yep, setting aside my great distaste for crowded clubs to see a bunch of middle-aged Russian guys.

Admittedly, Ksenia makes up for a lot on the visual side. But who cares when they all play and sing like that?? Many thanks to @Chazmo for pointing them out to me.
 
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So what's up with this big Russian band Leonid & Friends blowing the doors off American classics like Ain't Nobody and Boogie Wonderland and original world music masterpieces like The Speck of Dust?? (All linked above.)

Yes, could be a bunch of Russian spies running the musical version of a giant honey-pot operation in the US. But they've come up with a remarkable cover story for Leonid & Friends, and I'm going with it. Cuz I really do think that music unites us all.


Everybody says they're even better live, and we're gonna find out in Solana Beach on November 17. Yep, setting aside my great distaste for crowded clubs to see a bunch of middle-aged Russian guys.

Admittedly, Ksenia makes up for a lot on the visual side. But who cares when they all play and sing like that?? Many thanks to @Chazmo for pointing them out to me.
Seen these guys a few times on YT. This one stood out as well...


P.S... I used to play drums on this in our high school band... :)
 
Wait until they invade, then before you know it "They Built This City on Cabbage Rolls"...

A truly terrifying thought!

If you watch the documentary I linked above, you'll see that Western music like the stuff they cover now was banned in Russia when Leonid was a young musician. He managed to get a bootleg copy of Chicago's first album. The rest is history.

That kind of censorship could happen in the US in the near future, no invasion required.
 
A truly terrifying thought!

If you watch the documentary I linked above, you'll see that Western music like the stuff they cover now was banned in Russia when Leonid was a young musician. He managed to get a bootleg copy of Chicago's first album. The rest is history.

That kind of censorship could happen in the US in the near future, no invasion required.
Yes, it's started... creeping in with book banning and comedians getting fired. Hard to watch mate.
 
Would someone do me a small favor? Please search for this thread from inside the forum but outside the thread. Do you do get any hits on this thread or any posts therein?

In my own form searches, no hits on any combo of promising title or post words like music, sync, cadence, synchronous, tempo, or groove — with or without [titles only] checked.

No problem finding other threads. And I'm following, not ignoring this one.

Thanks!
 
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The reason we pulled you over sir....now its not against the law, but you have Sweet Caroline on repeat and you keep pulling a wheelie and screaming ba ba da at the appropriate part.
If only I could give more than 1 laughie at a time!

You should see what happens when I listen to this one on the bike:


It's on the playlist.
 
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The synchrous pedaling playlist now stands at 285 saddle-tested tunes amounting to some 20 hours of synchronous pedaling gold!

Never imagined I'd find this many. Expanding the cadence targeting to 80-100 rpm helped a lot. Knees are happy enough throughout this range, and I'm finding more and more tasty high-groove music near 160 bpm.

Notable recent additions
* La Grange, ZZ Top
o Sharp Dressed Man, ZZ Top
o Just Cruisin', Stanley Clarke
o Am I Wrong, Anderson .Paak
o Wish I Didn't Miss You, Angie Stone
* Stronger, Kelly Clarkson
o Get Up Offa That Thing, James Brown
* I Can't Go for That, Hall & Oates
* Maneater, Hall & Oates
o Stuck in the Middle with You, Stealers Wheel
* Reelin' in the Years, Steely Dan
o Bodhisattva, Steely Dan
o Old Skool Funk, Matt Johnson
o Life in the Fast Lane, Eagles
o Let's Groove, EW&F
o Get Down on It, Kool and the Gang
o Car Wash, Rose Royce
* Running, Billie Cobham
o Shadow, Billy Cobham
o Dark and Long, Underworld
* Old Enough to Know Better, Wade Hayes
o Ex Factor, Wade Hayes
o I Wish I Still Drank, Wade Hayes
* Take Five, Dave Brubeck
o Moves Like Jagger, Maroon 5
o Feel Like Makin' Love, Roberta Flack
* Dancing in the Streets, Martha Reeves & The Vandellas
o Heat Wave, Martha Reeves & The Vandellas
* We Are Family, Sisters Sledge
* Shake It Off, Taylor Swift
o Butter, BTS
* Shake Your Booty, KC and the Sunshine Band
o Lily Was Here, Candy Dulfer
* Pick Up the Pieces, Average White Band
* Walking on Sunshine, Katrina and the Waves
* Let It Whip, Dazz Band
* Nasty, Janet Jackson

The starred tunes are especially fun to pedal to.
 
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Some important observations thus far
Recall that this is a functional playlist. Tunes are selected solely for their ability to induce a music+mind+body+bike+road meld in the saddle at cadence.

This makes the saddle audition the final arbiter of what does and doesn't make the cut. It's all about the meld.

All successful candidates rank high on the 3 necessities — (1) appeal, (2) groove, and (3) a tempo that feels strongly synced to a comfortable or at least sustainable cadence. You can't really scrimp on any of them, but a very strong groove can often make up for a marginal sync.

Appeal
With a syncable tempo and enough groove, any tune you enjoy is likely to pass its saddle audition. Any genre's fair game.

Groove
Groove is defined functionally here as the quality of music that induces a pleasurable urge to move with the music. Musicians and musicologists have yet to pin down exactly what goes into groove, but you know it when you experience it. And for synchronous pedaling or walking, the stronger the urge for you, the better.

Tempo
Tempo here is the one you tap out for yourself (in bpm) without thinking about it. This may or may not match the claimed tempo. The free Tap BPM Finder app for Android suggested by @BlackHand is ideal for this purpose.

The most common tempo bands in this list for 80-100 rpm cadences center on 60, 80, 90, 107, 120, 133, 160, and 180 bpm. But the stronger the groove, the easier it is to find other tempos that at least feel well-synced.

The good news: Perceived sync is all that counts.

Do "slow" tunes work?
Yes! Turns out that perception of a tune as "fast" or "slow" correlates only loosely with tapped-out tempo. And while high groove tends to be more common in "faster" tunes, no shortage of groove in slower ones.

Bottom line: Any tune with high marks on appeal, groove, and syncable tempo deserves a saddle audition, even if it feels "slow" to you. Synchronous pedaling doesn't have to be intense or frenetic. A chill meld can be just the ticket at times.

Synchronous pedaling tips
Synchronous pedaling to music is easier than you think — even outdoors, where a rock-steady cadence is typically impossible.

The good news: A good meld will survive small deviations in cadence and short interruptions in sync — say, around gear or assist changes.

And on an ebike, you have all the contols you need to keep the disturbances small. These "dials" under your direct control are
o pedal force
o cadence
o assist level
o gear ratio
o brake lever pressure

You can also make use of the current resistance to your forward motion.

Twiddling the dials to hold the meld is easy enough and soon becomes a fun game in its own right.

(more soon)
 
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