Riding with music: Any attempt to sync cadence with beat or vice versa?

Did some digging for 180 playlists. These are apparently very popular with runners. Quite a few on Amazon, Spotify, and YouTube.

Unfortunately, auditioned all of the ones on Amazon and found very little music that I'd want to listen to on or off the bike.

Far fewer 90 bpm playlists out there but more my kind of music. Will audition these next, but so far not finding a lot of propulsive grooves at 90 bpm.
 
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Creep - Radiohead (or the Brandi Carlisle cover)

Ecstasy of Gold - Ennio Morricone

Where is my Mind? -Pixies (maybe a little slow)

The only times I find myself tracking to the beat are faster, driving songs that build and suddenly I realize I'm pedaling along at 115-120rpm.
Kerosene - Big Black; The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly; Red Right Hand - Nick Cave; various Sisters of Mercy; etc
 
Most bass heavy dance music is at 120 bpm. That's too high for casual riding.

It's one thing to concentrate on cadence to optimize your pedaling motion. It's another to pedal to a beat which encourages left-right-left-right cadence, which is not optimized for your pedaling motion. Make sense?
 
Creep - Radiohead (or the Brandi Carlisle cover)

Ecstasy of Gold - Ennio Morricone

Where is my Mind? -Pixies (maybe a little slow)
At roughly 45, 90, and 90 bpm, these would sync well with a 90 rpm cadence, but none have the propulsive groove I'm also after.

The only times I find myself tracking to the beat are faster, driving songs that build and suddenly I realize I'm pedaling along at 115-120rpm.
Impressive. I'm good to ~105 rpm but bounce in the saddle and produce no useful torque above ~110 rpm. Knees get increasingly unhappy below ~80 rpm, and pissing them off is ill-advised.

But life is beautiful at 88-90 rpm — mid-drive motor, knees, legs, cardiorespiratory system all happy as clams. (Hmmm, do we really know that clams are happy?)

Kerosene - Big Black; The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly; Red Right Hand - Nick Cave; various Sisters of Mercy; etc
Didn't check these tempos, but the grooves aren't flowy or propulsive enough for this project. However, a great groove at ~85 bpm earned Doctor Jeep by the Sisters of Mercy a spot on the cycling playlist.
 
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Most bass heavy dance music is at 120 bpm. That's too high for casual riding.
Correct on both counts. Certainly too high a cadence for me. My body and motor really want ~90 rpm (see last post), and that's exactly what I intend to give them.

Bass-heavy is good but not essential for the propulsive riding grooves I'm after.

It's one thing to concentrate on cadence to optimize your pedaling motion. It's another to pedal to a beat which encourages left-right-left-right cadence, which is not optimized for your pedaling motion. Make sense?
Sorry, don't follow. Not looking to improve pedaling motion. Just want to ride vigorous but enjoyable low-traffic neighborhood and nearby state park laps at close to current preferred cadence with pedaling strongly synced to propulsive music I like.

I know I want this for cycling because I've already had a good taste of it on my fast dog walks to 120 bpm music. Absolutely delicious!

Turning out to be a much taller order than expected on the cycling side but not giving up yet. The music's out there.
 
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I bought these rollerskates in 1979.

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The only original parts, are the 8 blue urethane wheels.

The rollerskating rinks had urethane floors as well back in the day.
Lots of sticktion.
Big Money was spent on rinks.

This was the fastest song that I remember from those days,..

DEVO Whip It Good,.. 😂



Nice Lids Dudes. 😂
 
This was the fastest song that I remember from those days,..

DEVO Whip It Good,.. 😂
Always liked that song. Sound advice, too.

Definitely goes on the cycling playlist. Great cycling groove, and I can safely flex my cadence down to ~80 rpm to sync with the ~160 bpm pulse voiced by the kick and snare drums. The ride cymbal flying along at ~320 bpm makes it seem even faster.
 
Sorry, don't follow. Not looking to improve pedaling motion. Just want to ride vigorous but enjoyable low-traffic neighborhood and nearby state park laps at close to current preferred cadence with pedaling strongly synced to propulsive music I like.

I know I want this for cycling because I've already had a good taste of it on my fast dog walks to 120 bpm music. Absolutely delicious!
My point is that by focusing on a beat you may lose your souplesse. Cycling smoothly and efficiently isn't about stomping on the pedals, at least on the road. Every time I've tried to do what you are doing I've wound up pedaling in squares. Maybe you can solve this challenge.
 
My point is that by focusing on a beat you may lose your souplesse. Cycling smoothly and efficiently isn't about stomping on the pedals, at least on the road. Every time I've tried to do what you are doing I've wound up pedaling in squares. Maybe you can solve this challenge.
Ah, I get it now. I'll keep an eye out for pedaling in squares but not too worried. All of this fuss over tempo and groove is only to improve occasional lap riding to music in 2 nearby safe havens. Doubt that will ever come to even 5% of total miles.

The rest will still be in places with too much traffic to listen to anything but ambient sound.
 
Did some digging for 180 playlists. These are apparently very popular with runners. Quite a few on Amazon, Spotify, and YouTube.

Unfortunately, auditioned all of the ones on Amazon and found very little music that I'd want to listen to on or off the bike.

Far fewer 90 bpm playlists out there but more my kind of music. Will audition these next, but so far not finding a lot of propulsive grooves at 90 bpm.

there are tons of 180s! I’d think that given that each foot is either up or down at 180, that would work really well. it’s a cool feeling when you’re in sync with the music. some 180s (or close to it) that I’d probably ride to


free falling - tom petty ⁠
mary jane’s last dance - tom petty
boulevard of broken dreams - green day
wonderwall - oasis
pour some sugar on me - def leppard
closer - NIN
sad but true - metallica
lose yourself - eminem
blitzkrieg bop - ramones

i‘m partial to the three I’ve bolded. there may be some generational issues at play here :)
 
there are tons of 180s! I’d think that given that each foot is either up or down at 180, that would work really well.
Yes, a 180 bpm tempo fully syncs with every pedal stroke at 90 rpm cadence, right and left alike. A 90 bpm tempo is also fully synced. In both cases, a pedal stroke hits every beat.

The 180 bpm case is analogous to walking to ~120 bpm music at ~120 steps/min, with steps counted on both feet.

it’s a cool feeling when you’re in sync with the music.
Exactly. Ditto with walking, where I first felt the effect at full power. Now that I have 2 safe places to ride laps with music, looking for the same effect on the bike.

some 180s (or close to it) that I’d probably ride to
free falling - tom petty ⁠
mary jane’s last dance - tom petty
boulevard of broken dreams - green day
wonderwall - oasis
pour some sugar on me - def leppard
closer - NIN
sad but true - metallica
lose yourself - eminem
blitzkrieg bop - ramones
Interesting. These technically have 180 bpm tempos, but I wouldn't say that any of them has a propulsive, driving groove. That by itself would keep them off the cycling playlist I'm trying to build.

Q: Have you actually ridden these to the beat?

there may be some generational issues at play here :)
No doubt about it. And I'm being very picky here. But I have 3 selection criteria for this cycling playlist, and all 3 must be met to get the strong mental and physical effect I'm after:

C1. A dominant tempo (~90 or ~180 bpm) that strongly syncs to a ~90 rpm cadence.

C2. A propulsive, driving, flowy groove — the kind that makes you want to get up and move to the beat. You know one when you hear it, regardless of your taste in music.

C3. Appeal — gotta be music I personally enjoy.

The musical taste thing really comes in only at C3. To be sure, partly generational in my case, and it's turning out to be major limiting factor in this project. But interestingly, hardly limiting at all at ~120 bpm.

As for C1, I'm OK pedaling at 80-100 rpm on the flat, but that flexibility doesn't help much in this context. For example, music at ~80 bpm is fairly common, but as before, having a hard time finding ~80 and ~160 bpm music that also meets C2 and C3.

Would love to hear a musicologist's take on all this. Here's a glimpse into that world:
 
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Yes, a 180 bpm tempo fully syncs with every pedal stroke at 90 rpm cadence, right and left alike. A 90 bpm tempo is also fully synced. In both cases, a pedal stroke hits every beat.

The 180 bpm case is analogous to walking to ~120 bpm music at ~120 steps/min, with steps counted on both feet.


Exactly. Ditto with walking, where I first felt the effect at full power. Now that I have 2 safe places to ride laps with music, looking for the same effect on the bike.


Interesting. These technically have 180 bpm tempos, but I wouldn't say that any of them has a propulsive, driving groove. That by itself would keep them off the cycling playlist I'm trying to build.


No doubt about it. And I'm being very picky here. But I have 3 selection criteria for this cycling playlist, and all 3 must be met to get the strong mental and physical effect I'm after:

C1. A dominant tempo (~90 or ~180 bpm) that strongly syncs to a ~90 rpm cadence.

C2. A propulsive, driving, flowy groove — the kind that makes you want to get up and move to the beat. You know one when you hear it, regardless of your taste in music.

C3. Appeal — gotta be music I personally enjoy.

The musical taste thing really comes in only at C3. To be sure, partly generational in my case, and it's turning out to be major limiting factor in this project. But interestingly, hardly limiting at all at ~120 bpm.

As for C1, I'm OK pedaling at 80-100 rpm on the flat, but that flexibility doesn't help much in this context. For example, music at ~80 bpm is fairly common, but as before, having a hard time finding ~80 and ~160 bpm music that also meets C2 and C3.

Would love to hear a musicologist's take on all this. Here's a glimpse into that world:
hmmmmmm!!

how about “i’m still standing” (elton john) or “im so excited” (aretha franklin?)
 
how about “i’m still standing” (elton john) or “im so excited” (aretha franklin?)

OK, now we're talkin'! All 3 criteria met, going straight to the cycling playlist. (No Aretha version of the latter on Amazon, but the Pointer Sisters will do nicely.)

Part of the problem: Neither of these was on any of the 180 bpm playlists on Amazon, and not interested in adding Spotify to my paid subscriptions.

Will have to scrape Pointer Sisters and Elton John offerings on Amazon for more. Aretha, too.
 
OK, now we're talkin'! All 3 criteria met, going straight to the cycling playlist. (No Aretha version of the latter on Amazon, but the Pointer Sisters will do nicely.)

Part of the problem: Neither of these was on any of the 180 bpm playlists on Amazon, and not interested in adding Spotify to my paid subscriptions.

Will have to scrape Pointer Sisters and Elton John offerings on Amazon for more. Aretha, too.

not sure about android, but there are iOS apps that tell you the tempo of every song in your library !
 
not sure about android, but there are iOS apps that tell you the tempo of every song in your library !
That would be handy! I'll look.

Right now, I'm using a free simple metronome app that tells me the tempo when I tap a button to music playing in any app other than YouTube. That's good, because the beat rate you spontaneously tap out with a finger or foot is the pulse — the dominant tempo in the piece. There are usually faster and sometimes slower secondary tempos in the music as well, but the pulse is the one you'd most feel like dancing, walking, or pedaling to. And feel is paramount here.

Problem is, the tapping metronomes I've tried don't do any time-averaging. So you can only get a ballpark tempo by mentally averaging over many taps. Maybe the apps you're referring to can help with that.
 
Tap BPM Finder is the android app I downloaded yesterday after I got frustrated at the wildly divergent BPMs various websites listed when I tried to check the songs that came to mind. Free, no ads, keeps a running average as long as you tap, doesnt use any data.

I think we have fairly different musical tastes so I probably won't be much help. I'm pretty much in the same gen as @mschwett . Sad, but true - my senior class song was on his list (no, not Sad but True. I grew up in mullet-land so Def Leppard's hit was our anthem!).

I'm guessing ska is not your thing, but I bet a lot are around 170-180bpm and are at least nominally 'groovy' . Sound System by Op Ivy comes to mind.
 
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