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Musk posted loyalty car purchases.

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The utterly disconnected scale of stocks and investment optics thinking in all the tech bro bubble includes him not recieving a bonus till there are a million people living on Mars.

Im sure this includes him drawing a picture with a crayon of such an event at a board meeting as a substantial milestone , but the production of Robotaxis and robots is ramping up.
10bn self driving miles and the Tesla semi now on sale with a third of the running costs.
I have no clue where all the electricity is coming from, but very soon you are going to see these comically 90s Back to the Future styled cars everywhere and the plan of course is own nothing and be happy.
I will admit there is much pressure on driving here that I would actually consider it.
 
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Chargeride said:
The utterly disconnected scale of stocks and investment optics thinking in all the tech bro bubble includes him not recieving a bonus till there are a million people living on Mars.

Im sure this includes him drawing a picture with a crayon of such an event at a board meeting as a substantial milestone , but the production of Robotaxis and robots is ramping up.
10bn self driving miles and the Tesla semi now on sale with a third of the running costs.
I have no clue where all the electricity is coming from, but very soon you are going to see these comically 90s Back to the Future styled cars everywhere and the plan of course is own nothing and be happy.
alking distance and a better climate will admit there is much pressure on driving here that I would actually consider it.
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oh yeah,I wish I could call for a self driving nice vehicle to come pick me up for a road trip,there is so much expense and liability for even imagining a nice Sunday afternoon cruise now and the absurd behaviour of young and entitled drivers makes me wish for a Village with everything in walking or at biking distance and a better climate( what is wrong with the weather these days,you cant count on being able to plant anything outdoors these days?) Hist pard! these billions of tons of CO2 we are pumping into the atmosphere couldn't bother anything,now could it?
 
Roamers said:
Since a the highest % of our imported oil comes from Canada, that's a pretty mean thing to say about our northern neighbors.
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don't think he
mschwett said:
strange list. since when is a tacoma a car? but this explains seemingly every other car being a model Y 😂
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loyalty means nothing,some of these cars listed are kept until they are ready for the scrapper and others are"snob" appeal,been seeing more teslas in these area as people who can afford it are waking up.
 
kevinmccune said:
don't think he

loyalty means nothing,some of these cars listed are kept until they are ready for the scrapper and others are"snob" appeal,been seeing more teslas in these area as people who can afford it are waking up.
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24 years on my Tacoma & plan to keep it forever. I occasionally catch some flak for driving a truck (albeit one of the smallest ones on the road). Haters gonna hate. I do not care. I do truck things. I still burn far less fuel than most drivers and ride a bike to work & run errands when I can.

If I were the car-swapping type, buying one every 3 years, I would have gone through 8 vehicles by now. Carbon-counting types - feel free to do the math on that.

I do plan to pick up a used Leaf or something similar down the road for work commutes, but don't have the garage space for it at the moment.
 
I have no clue where all the electricity is coming from, but very soon you are going to see these comically 90s Back to the Future styled cars everywhere and the plan of course is own nothing and be happy.
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About time. I am the age where due to vision deterioration my father lost his driver's license. My grandfather lost his driver's license 7 years past that. I have a cataract I am letting deteriorate past 20/50 before surgery. About the time my F150 starts developing problems, I may be able to make my city trips by robo-taxi. I can't get a 10' long board that way. HD & Lowes will deliver, but you have to stay home near the front door for 12.5 hours. In 3/2020 Lowes delivered the toilet at 19:15 with an ETA of 07:00 to 19:00. They set it on the street pavement, not at my front door. I had to wait 8 days to receive a product in stock at the local store. $75 for such **** service.
 
There is a number for everybody where owning their truck will no longer be worth it or affordable. That number is different for different people, obviously.

My own view is that this crisis will reach and wildly surpass that number for many people. I've spoken to people who have some expertise in this field and they say a doubling of fuel prices over pre-war figures is probably the bare minimum we should expect (which would translate to $6 to $9 per gallon for Unleaded depending on where you live). On the other hand jet fuel has already tripled in price in many locations, so there may be considerably larger price increases in our near future.

It is important to remember that (1) oil is a globally traded commodity, and (2) oil companies are not charitable organizations. If Chevron can sell crude oil to Japan or France at $200 per barrel rather than $150 per barrel to sell it down the road in Texas they aren't going to sell it to the buyers in Texas. Any kind of price controls would lead to insane shortages because the smart money in those situations would not sell the oil at all because the pain would be so large that it any price controls could only be temporary and would be inevitably followed by even larger price increases. Both history and economics come to the same conclusion.

It is also important to remember that no matter what "blockade" is in place against Iran, it is damned unlikely that the US Navy will interdict any tankers coming from Iran to China. Which will leave Iran as the only gulf country selling very much oil and China as the only world power that might still be able to import a decent amount of the stuff. So that's why if you are driving any kind of gas pig you are helping our enemies. In theory the Russians should benefit too but so far the Ukrainians have done a good job making sure they aren't benefiting very much.
 
Roamers said:
Seriously, is there a crisis because of fuel price? What will it be called if there is a fuel shortage?

This is an inconvenience to some, irrelevant to many.
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Of course the boneheads in the White House finds this all very inconvenient.

Where I live there are quite a few people who commute 100+ miles per day. And it is a 100 mile roundtrip to Wal-Mart and a 200 mile roundtrip to Costco. This is also a very Republican-leaning area, and I suspect there are many other places just like this or worse off.
 
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My own view is that this crisis will reach and wildly surpass that number for many people. I've spoken to people who have some expertise in this field and they say a doubling of fuel prices over pre-war figures is probably the bare minimum we should expect (which would translate to $6 to $9 per gallon for Unleaded depending on where you live). On the other hand jet fuel has already tripled in price in many locations, so there may be considerably larger price increases in our near future.
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I would like to know just how much the price at the pump is affected by greed and profit taking, since the pump price does not track with that of a barrel of crude or oil futures for that matter..
 
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Where I live there are quite a few people who commute 100+ miles per day. And it is a 100 mile roundtrip to Wal-Mart and a 200 mile roundtrip to Costco.
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I'd probably take my car (actually one that got better mileage) rather than van for that type of daily commute. Probably takes some minor planning to not make a special trip to shop. It would seem a 200 mile drive would make Costco a poor choice. We've never been in a Costco; so it is a choice people can make, just like living in the boonies.
 
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pump price does not track with that of a barrel of crude
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A barrel of crude is 42 gallons. Depending on where you pick the data points, crude went from 60ish to 102ish (looks like its been 112.) So crude is up about $1 per gallon; then it needs to be refined. Locally, our unleaded is up ~$1.30; doesn't appear to be out of line with the the price of crude a month ago.

Diesel was up more, but has come down a bit (probably change in demand since heating season is winding down.)

Jet fuel is the interesting one.
 
Mr. Coffee said:
Of course the boneheads in the White House finds this all very inconvenient.

Where I live there are quite a few people who commute 100+ miles per day. And it is a 100 mile roundtrip to Wal-Mart and a 200 mile roundtrip to Costco. This is also a very Republican-leaning area, and I suspect there are many other places just like this or worse off.
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IMO those are crazy choices to be making except in very special circumstances. 100+ miles a day, whether electric or gas or diesel is just not necessary. there are other places to live and work and while it’s easier to say that as a professional of some means, there are both cheap and expensive places to live in this country that are near jobs or just about any type.
 
My area is cheap to live (gas is $4.19, diesel $5.60), and has **** few jobs requiring technical expertise. I have never been allowed to do any design work here. Ford imports all their engineers from Michigan, a place with **** weather. Toyota imports all their engineering from Japan, or brings in guys on one year Visas. I was floated the idea of transfering to Huntington Beach CA when I was designing digital circuits in Houston. Huntington Beach was a place where you have to live 6 to a bedroom in an apartment, or commute 100 miles from the desert, on the salary they were offering. No thanks. Houston, I was rear ended 7 times. I left after that. Kansas where I served in the Army after that was cheap to live. The civilian engineering jobs paid 60% of what I was making in Houston, that would not pay a mortgage on a house. Staying in the Army which paid well was not an option- my knees were deteriorating too fast to make age 52 and retirement.
I would have been paid better to go into medicine. I had the brains. Unfortunately I catch every virus or bacteria I am exposed to. Walking pneumonia 3 times in high school, several times in college where the college clinic did not put a name on your infection, just handed you some antibiotics and prednisone. I have no business hanging around hospitals or clinics.
 
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a lot of places seem cheap to live … then a young adult discovers they need a car and to drive 100 miles a day for a job. $20 a day in gas, about the same in insurance and lease payments, that $1200/mo is the difference between their cheap place to live and a decent place near transit in a medium cost of living city. throw in an ebike and life’s good.
 
The interconnectedness of the modern world always gets exposed at times like these. Australia with its abundant sunshine should be solar rich and indeed it is doing more and more renewables but is constantly being hamstrung by the Murdock press and successive pro oil and gas Governments. They have a lot of oilfields, but in irony of ironies they shut down nearly all local refining of crude a number of years now and all that crude is exported as is, with Oz buying back refined petrol and diesel etc as that was much cheaper apparently. So now Australia is caught like the rest of us as petrol prices rocket and they are in danger of severe shortages having to compete to buy fuel against fuel hungry asian neighbours.

Another short sighted story is that scallops harvested off Scotland and Northern England are then shipped to Vietnam to be shelled as it's cheaper to pay (mostly) Vietnamese women to process them there then it is to pay people in UK to do it, then the de-shelled scallops are shipped back to the UK to be sold in the freezer cabinets of supermarkets as "North Sea". The increase in shipping diesel costs might change that ludicrous convoluted workflow if this fun continues.
 
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