Woman Pedals a Bike at 184 MPH ! Absolutely insane.... gotta watch the video
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scootscoot
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It's a cyclocross video, it has nothing to do with Denise Mueller.
The wired story was published 3 days before the actual ride! 700 watts is a guesstimate, not an actual recording. There is no citation for the 700 watt claim, either. Might as well claim 7,000 watts.
Nova Haibike
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Look, I don't follow GCN religiously. So it was not the latest video. It was in the "GCN show" video...I'm not going to look it up. Also, even if the Wired article was before the attempt, you don't think the team behind the attempt would not know what she would have to do?
Fine, let's take the 700 watts out. Let's say it was "easy." It is just a crazy and dangerous stunt then. Still, not everyone can do it, because it is extremely dangerous.
Fine, let's take the 700 watts out. Let's say it was "easy." It is just a crazy and dangerous stunt then. Still, not everyone can do it, because it is extremely dangerous.
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Basically it is dragged by a drag car that cuts off the entrance and side air. It only fights the air from under the drag car and is dragged by ropes.
202 km/h only cuts the entrance air front/side ,no ropes,bike road.
Disc of 60 or more teeth.
202 km/h only cuts the entrance air front/side ,no ropes,bike road.
Disc of 60 or more teeth.
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scootscoot
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So you cite the latest video when in fact it was not the latest video. Makes perfect sense lol. This is a clear example of fake news.
I'm ok calling it a dangerous stunt. But it has nothing to do with speed. She was towed to 165 mph inside a slipstream and pedaled a giant gear probably not available to the previous record holder.
If you read about her experience inside the slipstream, she says she feels like she is being pushed forward by a professional athlete. This strongly suggests that the 700 watts claim is totally bogus and made up.
scootscoot
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Below is the GCN Show video in question from two days ago. There is absolutely no mention of Denise Mueller. You are doing an amazing job of inventing fake news to discredit her lol.
For the record, Wired completely lied about the "700 watts" figure. It is a total fabrication. More confirmation of fake news!
Nova Haibike
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What evidence do you have that Wired lied about the 700 watts figure, or are you fabricating facts of your own?
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scootscoot
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There is no source for the figure. Does Denise herself make this claim? Even if it is 700, it's not very impressive. A male track cyclist can generate 2100 - 2300 watts.
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Citycrosser
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Wow, there's some A+ trolling with overtones of jealousy and sexism going on in this thread. What she did was commendable. It is a world record, after all. Perhaps if one thinks it is easy, one should go and beat the world record.
Stromer2work
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I enjoyed the space shots from that voyage. but ya, that fall was unimpressive to me, given the fact that he hitched a ride on a balloon, the o2 was supplied, had a guy saying things like "remove this tube, remove that tube", was wearing a space suit, etc etc. I'm more impressed by skin divers that can hold their breath underwater for many minutes while spear fishing to put dinner on the table, for what it's worth. So you and I have different tastes on what's impressive, no worries about that here.
Nova Haibike
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You said, "For the record, Wired completely lied about the "700 watts" figure. It is a total fabrication." Talk about calling the pot kettle black. You have zero evidence they lied; you are merely guessing.
2100-2300 watts peak. They only have that output for literally a second or two, not for the entire sprint (which is usually less than 10 seconds), and certainly not a minute. No one can output 2000+ watts for a minute, period.
scootscoot
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So where is the source then? Wired doesn't have a source. GCN doesn't have a source. They could claim 7,000 or 7 million then. No source means it's completely unfounded speculation. "Wired said so" is not a source lol.
700 watts for a minute is not that impressive. Easily achievable by a male cat 3 rider.
Anyway, you have no source on her power output. Without an actual recording it's 100% speculation.
scootscoot
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It's not a speed record, it's a "I got pulled to 165 mph, then pedaled inside a 184 mph slipstream for 60 seconds" record.
A rider of moderate fitness can pedal at 90 mph drafting a car without the benefit of a pull. Does that mean he can ride 90 mph on his own? No.
You risk serious injury if you fall, but the the only skill involved is staying upright while pedaling inside a slipstream. I don't know if that gives you bragging rights.
There's little doubt that this stunt gains almost no publicity at all if it were a man, and there's no question men are more powerful riders, controlling for weight and without equalizing weight are far more powerful.
Nova Haibike
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It was a speed record when the 10 men did it before Denise, and it is a new speed record now. Your saying it isn't doesn't make it go away.
There are plenty of stunts done by men that are widely covered. But don't worry, just like the men who hold other stunt records, her name and fame will be forgotten soon enough, if that makes you feel better.
scootscoot
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It's not a speed record, it's a barely pedaling inside a slipstream for a minute or so record. The only reason major publications are paying attention to it is because the rider is female.
Found your 700 watts recorded source yet? Lol, I didn't think so.
Anyway, this is not a "speed record" that makes it important, it's important as political propaganda. Look at who's covering it: CNN, the wall street journal, BBC, Telegraph, Wired, smithsonian
https://www.google.com/search?q=den.....69i57j0l5.2415j1j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Fred Rompelberg, zero media coverage. Believe it or not, media existed in 1995:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1....gws-wiz.......0i71j0i67j0i131i67.kL2rlOyLCbY
Nova Haibike
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Again, yes it is. There are set rules to the game. She followed the rules, thus she is now the new record holder. If you go out and surpass Denise's effort, you will be the record holder, yes or no?
scootscoot
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If I did, I would not call it a speed record. I would call it a stunt I did for fun in a slipstream. I wouldn't call it a record of any kind, much less a speed record.
Use some common sense: she was pulled to 167 mph! She generated zero speed! Yes, she did stay upright for a minute after the car accelerated to 184 mph, but as Denise admits, the faster she was going, the more stable the bike. If you watch the video I posted, her bike moves laterally far more at the beginning of the pull than when she is actually riding, so in fact, the danger of falling was minimized by being dragged to the highest speed possible.
There is a lot of contradictory information in the wired article. The article claims the rider generates as much power as TdF rider sprinting for the finish line (700 friggin' watts). Yet the article also claims that at 150 mph,
"the oscillation feels like being pushed forward on a swing. “At 130 mph, it’s a little kid push,” she says. “Over 150, it’s like an NBA player giving me a shove.”
So, she feels like she's being pushed forward by a 7 ft tall, 250 lb male elite athlete, yet she supposedly needs 700 watts the equivalent of a tdf rider?!? And remember the nba player shove analogy only holds at 150 mph, not 167 or 184 mph.
This suggests that she has to feather her pedals forward rather than grinding it out at max effort.
Remember, she is pushing a gear that is 5x the size of a normal road bike high fear, a 52x11 is a normal high gear for example, which should take you to around 37 mph on a flat road with minimal wind at 90 rpm.
If she is in fact being pushed forward with far more force than an nba player, perhaps with the force of an entire nfl line at 184 mph, then pedaling effort should swing wildly from ahem "700 watts" to zero effort and then back again over and over for a minute.
So, we have two possibilities here: the author of the wired piece and/or the author's source (denise) are wildly exaggerating or 2) denise has super human reflexes which allow her to oscillate between say 75 and 700 watts on and off with precise timing to the millisecond.
There is so much bogus physics and hyperbole in the descriptions with exactly zero measurements of actual watts generated or wind forces it's laughable.
This is fake news.
Denise broke Fred's record on a tether: she only agreed to be released AFTER she had reached 167 mph, in effect, guaranteeing a tie. But it's meaningless since she was being pulled. Not to mention she was in a draft 100% of the time.
This is a tethered, pedaling casually inside a slipstream, my bike gets super stable the faster it goes record.
Here are the facts:
1. no actual recordings of watts produced
2. no citation of the physics of pedaling in a slipstream from an actual physicist
3. denise "broke" fred's record of 167 mph WHILE STILL TETHERED!
4. the danger of falling actually DECLINED the faster she was pulled
5. if the velocity of the push within the slipstream increased exponentially as gcn and wired and denise claim, why did she need to generate 700 watts when she was being pushed forward with the force of multiple elite professional athletes?
It only stands to reason that she would need to COAST or only pedal lightly, especially with a gear 5x the size of a standard bicycle high gear.
Conclusion: 700 watts is FAKE NEWS.
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Nova Haibike
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Wow, you are bitter person, aren't you?
FWIW, here is the complete and unedited run.
FWIW, here is the complete and unedited run.
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