Will this be the hottest 2020 S pedelec commuter ebike ?

[Ebiker01]

HAIBIKE XDURO ADVTR. 6.0 FLYON.

https://www.fullycharged.com/haibike-xduro-adventr-6.0-2019



- full carbon, 36-38lb
- Shimano XT
- 630wh
-4amp charger
-120nm TQ motor

I thought the Sdurro trekking 9.0 was nice but this one is light years ahead .
I expect massive deals at end of the year for this older ebikes with this outdated technology and heavy frames/motor. Blow out sale 90% off , first come, first served....

In Europe the Flyon is limited so there is not much joy in owning one that does 15mph top speed having a 120nm TQ motor !! Yes !

IN US i expect a 28mph limit with the possibility of delimitation by the user for private trails for speeds up to 45mph. Yes the TQ MOTOR is a beast. M1 Spitzing does 45mph using same motor.

 

[Rodolfo]

Maybe until the one I'm awaiting... I'm expecting, I require an even-lighter electric, with a lighter motor and battery -and the concomitant speed that will bring. Haibike has sure risen to the top quickly, though -nice, exciting advance.

 

[Captain Slow]

It looked like the sign said 6,000 Euros, but I'm not positive. It is a very nice bike, but obviously quite expensive.

Though I'd like lighter that's an acceptable weight for me. A bit pricey, but I would still consider it.

 

[Ebiker01]

They have the 5.0 which is also carbon frame from 5k euros.
The motor is Nasa quality, the TQ company is way, way above Boschs, Brose and everyone else. Is like the Rolex of ebike motors.

 

[Deacon Blues]

Buying one of these with anything less than the 28mph top end would be like dating a super model and not being allowed to have sex with her.

 

[Captain Slow]

Deacon, so true!

I'm usually not a fan of suspension on commuter bikes, but if this bike is capable of 45 mph then I think suspension is necessary.

 

[PaD]

Haibike sells the Sduro Trekking S in Europe as S Pedelec, 45km/h. ( Bosch motor) A bit surprising they don’t offer the Adventr with TQ motor as S Pedelec.

 

[jim6b]

But if it will really do 45 mph, it will have almost 2X the power needed for 28 mph and that would make it grossly over spec'd for 28 (and at 15.5?). One can only guess at how much weight and cost is wasted building for the demands of 45 mph, but then the 45 may just be a rumor.

At any rate will keep an eye out for a down spec'd version which has more realistic (to me) power and coincidentally further reduced weight and cost.

 

[Ebiker01]

The motor is capable of doing 45 mph but it has been the limited in order to comply.

I know that for a fact because it is used in the otherhighgh end bike the M1 Spitzingthe R peeddeelelec

But if it will really do 45 mph, it will have almost 2X the power needed for 28 mph and that would make it grossly over spec'd for 28 (and at 15.5?). One can only guess at how much weight and cost is wasted building for the demands of 45 mph, but then the 45 may just be a rumor.

At any rate will keep an eye out for a down spec'd version which has more realistic (to me) power and coincidentally further reduced weight and cost.

 

[jim6b]

Good to know.

 

[Ken M]

Very unlikely Haibike will have an option to unlock this model to 45mph for various reasons. One is the battery would go from adequate to being dramatically under capacity to sustain speeds in that range for long (maybe that rear rack is designed to hold a 2nd integrated battery or just a spare so they may have addressed this issue a bit). There are already a lot of mamby-pamby leasure and recreational riders running around saying that any ebike assisting faster than 20mph should be considered a eMotorcycle...unlock this ebike to 45mph and they'll go bat guano nuts and claim their safety was threatened every time they are passed by a faster ebike. Haibike was one of the primary forces driving US states to adopt the Class 1-3 system (they would not move their US headquarters to Colorado unless it was implemented very quickly) so unlocking the speed above 28mph may generate some ??? press.

I question the logic of using a mid drive on a fast ebike just because at the higher gear ratios so much of the motor torque is just lost via mechanical inefficiency (something that Bosch really did a decent job of dealing with by having a reduced size front chain ring but in mountain bike applications it under-performed in climbing gears.

My guess is the Bultaco Brinco will cruise at 30-35mph with far less effort from the rider as this Haibike Flyon because DD hub motors are really hitting their stride at these speeds. The Crystalyte motor is probably 10-20% of the cost of the TQ mid-drive so getting compared in that speed range is something that should be avoided by the mid-drive producers.

 

[jim6b]

My guess would be that the 45 mph claim is based on peak power which is often double the sustainable rate, i.e. the power level which can be sustained without overheating and burning out the motor. The peak rate being the highest output without consideration of overheating.

 

[Ebiker01]

This is the ebike with the same motor:

https://www.motostrano.com/M1-Spitzing-E-Bike-Electric-Bike-p/m1rs.htm

They have it listed with 850 watts motor and also 980watts.
Battery 880wh/1080wh.
The Tq motor power Is dramatically reduced in the Flyon.

 

[jim6b]

Or, the Tq motor has been dramatically hot rodded by the race experts for the Spitzing.


And there is a caveat "* R-Pedelecs (Race-Pedelecs) are high-tech bikes especially developed for racing and therefore not allowed on public roads. Possible locations for the bike are cordoned tracks such as the e-Bike World Cup, private roads or private property."

https://www.motostrano.com/M1-Spitzing-E-Bike-Electric-Bike-p/m1rs.htm

 

[Ebiker01]

Yes, i am totally fine with a top speed of 32-33mph. On some roads it would be safer to have an ever higher speed such as 35-42mph. I guess that’s why the Juiced brand has some of it’s models very popular.
For those speeds a very sturdy bike frame and great riding skills are needed.