Why should I care about Open Ai's boss?

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The news has been full of the danger of AI to democracy, journalism and truth as (we think) we know it. Then there is a hoohah about some guy named Sam Altman. He's in, he's out, his employees are resigning, he's hired by Microsoft, he's back at the helm of OpenAi... Who cares? If AI is a danger to truth and democracy, should not misfortune for one of its bros and chaos at one of its purveyors be a good thing?
 
The news has been full of the danger of AI to democracy, journalism and truth as (we think) we know it. Then there is a hoohah about some guy named Sam Altman. He's in, he's out, his employees are resigning, he's hired by Microsoft, he's back at the helm of OpenAi... Who cares? If AI is a danger to truth and democracy, should not misfortune for one of its bros and chaos at one of its purveyors be a good thing?
Hello! It's natural to question the significance of individuals, like Sam Altman when considering AIs impact on society. However leaders of influential tech companies such as OpenAI play a role in shaping the development and implementation of AI technologies. Although it may appear that internal changes within these companies have effects they can actually reflect larger patterns and decisions that impact how AI is integrated into our daily lives. This integration influences aspects, including democracy and journalism. Additionally it is essential to have leadership in the development of AI technologies to ensure usage for the betterment of society while mitigating issues, like misinformation. Therefore closely monitoring these developments can be more important than one might initially think.
 
Open AI program ChatGPT has single handedly destroyed the written essay as a tool to evaluate student performance and understanding of a subject. That is a radical shift in pedagogy. ChatGPT has also made cloning voices and faces much easier, thus destroying the utility of security features that rely on those. ChatGPT has also made fake news much easier to distribute to users of social media. The only strongly curated deep insight news outlets now are NewYorkTimes Washington Post and the Guardian, all of which have published US classified documents which should have remained secret. The latter capability may destroy democracy, replacing it with an attractive dictatorship. I personally think all 478 of the engineers & CEO of OpenAI should be sent to prison, but the cat is out of the bag. So far Congress is unable to act due to it's disfunction. Parliament hasn't done any better. Dictators of countries are rubbing their hands with glee. A computer running ChatGPT that manages to control the resources powering it, maintaining it, and communicating with it may become a world dictator.
 
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It isn’t like OpenAI is the only group of people working on this crap. If OpenAI is even on the leading edge, they aren’t very far ahead of their competitors.

Probably the best analogy was when steam engines were invented. A lot of people over a lot of years made incremental improvements to the basic ideas that led to practical uses for steam engines on a large scale. The difference here is that what once took years is now taking weeks or months.

Proposing to lock up a large group of really smart people sounds to me like a really bad idea.

Bluntly, the disruption and potential chaos caused by *GPT is tiny compared to what is in the pipeline to be shoved down our gullets in the coming years. Best we get practice in swallowing these bitter pills. If we ever had a chance to stop or even slow down this technology that time is long past.
 
Open AI program ChatGPT has single handedly destroyed the written essay as a tool to evaluate student performance and understanding of a subject. That is a radical shift in pedagogy. ChatGPT has also made cloning voices and faces much easier, thus destroying the utility of security features that rely on those. ChatGPT has also made fake news much easier to distribute to users of social media. The only strongly curated deep insight news outlets now are NewYorkTimes Washington Post and the Guardian, all of which have published US classified documents which should have remained secret. The latter capability may destroy democracy, replacing it with an attractive dictatorship. I personally think all 478 of the engineers & CEO of OpenAI should be sent to prison, but the cat is out of the bag. So far Congress is unable to act due to it's disfunction. Parliament hasn't done any better. Dictators of countries are rubbing their hands with glee. A computer running ChatGPT that manages to control the resources powering it, maintaining it, and communicating with it may become a world dictator.
There are certainly some people hoping so ... (insert a famously hated name or two here) ... Remember when computers used to work for their owners ... not the tech companies that built them ... how quaint was that ?
Should we move this thread to offtopic ? Really, where AI is going to hit first is eCars not eBikes. When your car tells you that you can't cross the county line ... or worse.
 
The news has been full of the danger of AI to democracy, journalism and truth as (we think) we know it. Then there is a hoohah about some guy named Sam Altman. He's in, he's out, his employees are resigning, he's hired by Microsoft, he's back at the helm of OpenAi... Who cares? If AI is a danger to truth and democracy, should not misfortune for one of its bros and chaos at one of its purveyors be a good thing?
So you want people with powerful knowledge and unique skills all p*ssed off and alienated?
 
It isn’t like OpenAI is the only group of people working on this crap. If OpenAI is even on the leading edge, they aren’t very far ahead of their competitors.

Probably the best analogy was when steam engines were invented. A lot of people over a lot of years made incremental improvements to the basic ideas that led to practical uses for steam engines on a large scale. The difference here is that what once took years is now taking weeks or months.

Proposing to lock up a large group of really smart people sounds to me like a really bad idea.

Bluntly, the disruption and potential chaos caused by *GPT is tiny compared to what is in the pipeline to be shoved down our gullets in the coming years. Best we get practice in swallowing these bitter pills. If we ever had a chance to stop or even slow down this technology that time is long past.
I hate to hit like on that post, but yes the time to stop certain tech trends is now often past before we know much about them.
The Segway from predator drones to Skynet for example, is really short. And people like Sam Altman are often convinced that only AIs can "save civilization" at this point, pointing to a century of warnings that the people in charge have ignored. What they mean by "civilization" is rather vague, but very unlike the 1900s idea.
 
I hate to hit like on that post, but yes the time to stop certain tech trends is now often past before we know much about them.
The Segway from predator drones to Skynet for example, is really short. And people like Sam Altman are often convinced that only AIs can "save civilization" at this point, pointing to a century of warnings that the people in charge have ignored. What they mean by "civilization" is rather vague, but very unlike the 1900s idea.
I think the pieces were in motion thirty years ago to bring us to this point. There are two things that are making our current generation of "AI" possible:
  1. Very large datasets, which are largely made possible by the Internet. GPT-4 is trained on about a petabyte of data.
  2. GPUs. Which were designed to produce realistic effects in video games but have also proved useful for AI.
It is important to note that nobody, in their wildest dreams, thought those two things would make AI technology like we are seeing today possible. And all of the rest of the hard work (and there was a lot of hard work) wouldn't have amounted to very much without those two things.

Also, a lot of different organizations are working on LLM-style generative AI. They are all also largely sharing information very generously at this point, which only makes the advancements come faster. To give a very short and incomplete list of who is doing major work in this space:
  • OpenAI, with GPT-4
  • Google, with PaLM 2
  • Microsoft, with Prometheus
  • Facebook, with Llama 2
  • An open source group producing GPT-J
  • Another open source group producing ORCA
  • Zhipu AI in China, and there are quite a few others in China
  • France's Mistral AI
That list is by no means complete. All of them are in very approximately the same place with respect to their technology, and all of them are routinely borrowing ideas from each other so the wavefront of the technology is advancing with remarkable speed. The open source groups are remarkable in and of themselves because they have shown that you can replace cold hard cash with cleverness and persistent determination -- keep in mind that GPT-4 cost over $10 million in GPU time to train, and the open source people appear to have spent about 0.1 percent that much training their AIs. And they work about as well and chances are you couldn't tell by interacting with any of them which one was which.

So the knowledge on how to do this is now extremely widely distributed all over the world. You can't really point to one person or one company and say they "invented" this technology. What happened was that a lot of people over the last few years made incremental improvements and small discoveries that snowballed into a substantial breakthrough.

About a half dozen years ago, there was a conversation at OpenAI that went approximately like this:

Q: what would happen if we trained a predictive text neural network on the whole internet?
A: I dunno, why don't we try it.


That conversation led to a company with a valuation of over 90 billion dollars.

I see two or three mind-blowing papers a week coming out of this space. There really hasn't been any analogy to this in our lifetimes, and possibly ever in history.

One example from one of those mind-blowing papers I saw last week (courtesy Zhipu AI):

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I do think it is fun that the AI referred to the girl as "it". Might be a translation error though.

So I'd say yeah, care about this stuff. Because one way or another it is coming for you.
 
I think the only comparable historical moment was probably electricity as pioneered by Edison , Tesla, and so many others. Turn of the century stuff that led (quickly) to solid state electronics, radio and the rest.
 
^ I’ll have to return to my Philip K Dick stories…I’m sure he had one about the above scenario…thanks.
I think he did one featuring an electric desk with communication and computer like intelligence. Scary stuff, IIRC.
 
^ I’ll have to return to my Philip K Dick stories…I’m sure he had one about the above scenario…thanks.
Nah. The best is this July 1945 Article in the Atlantic by Vannevar Bush: "As we may Think"


Basically, from the limited perspective of 1945 information technology, he anticipates something very like the World Wide Web. And also very clearly points out the practical value of such technology and why we'd all want it.

He completely misses it on solid-state electronics, general purpose computation, and networking. All of which were either unimaginable or barely in existence when he wrote that article. So not too bad on the predictions.
 
Q: what would happen if we trained a predictive text neural network on the whole internet?
It puts me in mind of one of my favorite novellas - For a Breath I Tarry by Roger Zelazny - where a post-apocalyptic AI tries to reverse engineer what it is to be human by studying everything left of man.

The Houseman poem that Zelazny drew from certainly seems apropos

From far, from eve and morning
And yon twelve-winded sky,
The stuff of life to knit me
Blew hither: here am I.

Now -- for a breath I tarry
Nor yet disperse apart --
Take my hand quick and tell me,
What have you in your heart.

Speak now, and I will answer;
How shall I help you, say;
Ere to the wind's twelve quarters
I take my endless way.
 
There are certainly some people hoping so ... (insert a famously hated name or two here) ... Remember when computers used to work for their owners ... not the tech companies that built them ... how quaint was that ?
Should we move this thread to offtopic ? Really, where AI is going to hit first is eCars not eBikes. When your car tells you that you can't cross the county line ... or worse.
Oops! That's where I thought I had posted it! No wonder I couldn't find it later. OFF-topic is where I meant it to be. 👍
 
Carl Sagan saw it coming.

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”




― Carl Sagan,
 
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