Thoughts on these batteries

Zeppelin99

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Hey so I'm doing my first diy build. So far I got a schwinn biggity dlx fat bike. I'm ordering a bbshd kit and also getting the asi bac800 external controller. As far as the battery goes, I'm on the fence between this

And then I saw this on amazon.ca for much cheaper but I'm wondering if you guys think it's a reliable battery given the specs in the add
Thanks
 
Canada? Why don't you get one from Grin? They're in Vancouver, and can and will actually backup a warranty - ebikes.ca
Some English chap setup shop here, gets great reviews: em3ev.com
 
EDIT All that power on a Schwinn fatbike? Best put better brakes on the list!



Looks like, looking at the links, he’s in Canada

Goldenmotor, Gary Salo is Canadian.

EM3ev, a UK expat with Chinese factory is an industry leading battery maker.

Both reliable fellas.

The akonasada from Amazon appears to be just another new Chinese trading company, also on Aliexpress. I’d avoid them unless someone has seen or reviewed their builds. They don’t mention which cells are used. Brand names can be meaningless. EM3ev or Grin eBikes.ca, and then Golden Motor would be my choice. My first battery was from EM3ev. It’ll age out before cycling out.

EM3ev wins for me. My shop has them build the batteries, they have D-Powercore Bluetooth Battry Management Systems. Super easy full battery review/data on a smart phone. Making supporting their batteries easypeasy.

25A continuous is fine for a BBSHD. And the cells are GA, capable of much more. Perhaps that’s why the sale. They dumbed the pack down with a lower rated BMS. Making Goldenmotor best suited for 750W BBS02B or hub motor not your BBSHD.

I run and support these,
Recommended Max Discharge Current for each Cell Type of the Em3ev Jumbo Shark 52V Ebike Battery:
  • Panasonic PF: ~29A Continuous, 38A Max Burst Current
  • Samsung 30Q: ~38A Continuous, 55A Max Burst Current
  • LG HG2: ~ 44A Continuous, 55A Max Burst Current
  • Samsung 35E: ~25A Continuous, 34A Max Burst Current
Please note we recommend a max of no more than 50A for the BMS. The trip current is set just above 60A.

Note: the cell manufacturers specs are higher than our recommendations above. It will not harm the battery to occasionally discharge at higher levels than our recommendations, but regular, sustained high discharge rates will degrade the battery more quickly and the battery voltage will sag at these high power levels. The Battery BMS is programmed to trip if cell temperatures reach 60degC during discharge and 45degC during charging.

Capacity Specs for each Cell Type of the Em3ev Jumbo Shark 52V Ebike Battery:
  • Panasonic PF: 50.4V nominal, 14.3Ah, ~718Whrs.
  • Samsung 30Q: 50.4V nominal, 14.8Ah, ~743Whrs.
  • LG HG2: 50.4V nominal, 14.8Ah, ~743Whrs.
  • Samsung 35E: 50.4V nominal, 17.0Ah, ~857Whrs.


Bottom line! You will want a 30Q or similar cell and a BMS that will put out the higher amperage you’r
Recommended Max Discharge Current for each Cell Type of the Em3ev Jumbo Shark 52V Ebike Battery:

  • Panasonic PF: ~29A Continuous, 38A Max Burst Current
  • Samsung 30Q: ~38A Continuous, 55A Max Burst Current
  • LG HG2: ~ 44A Continuous, 55A Max Burst Current
  • Samsung 35E: ~25A Continuous, 34A Max Burst Current
Please note we recommend a max of no more than 50A for the BMS. The trip current is set just above 60A.

Note: the cell manufacturers specs are higher than our recommendations above. It will not harm the battery to occasionally discharge at higher levels than our recommendations, but regular, sustained high discharge rates will degrade the battery more quickly and the battery voltage will sag at these high power levels. The Battery BMS is programmed to trip if cell temperatures reach 60degC during discharge and 45degC during charging.

Capacity Specs for each Cell Type of the Em3ev Jumbo Shark 52V Ebike Battery:
  • Panasonic PF: 50.4V nominal, 14.3Ah, ~718Whrs.
  • Samsung 30Q: 50.4V nominal, 14.8Ah, ~743Whrs.
  • LG HG2: 50.4V nominal, 14.8Ah, ~743Whrs.
  • Samsung 35E: 50.4V nominal, 17.0Ah, ~857Whrs.
BOTTOM LINE. Personally I’d use the Grin Phaserunner. They have a sweet BBSHD setup. Next LG HG2, 30Q or similar spec cell. I’m surprised that you’re considering a BAC style controller and not paying close attention to battery out put. Perhaps you might step back and reconsider some choices. You could hide a Grin Baserunner in a 30Q case. Or since it’s a kitbike? And you are ramping it up think about a hardcase sized 30Q. Shark packs won’t hold 17Ah of high output cells. I run 52V 20Ah Triangle pack on my BBSHD.
 
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Canada? Why don't you get one from Grin? They're in Vancouver, and can and will actually backup a warranty - ebikes.ca
Some English chap setup shop here, gets great reviews: em3ev.com

He’s apparently dreaming and reading about adding an external controller to over volt the BBSHD. The BAC800 he mentions will run up to 96A. I’m thinking endless_sphere or electricbike.com/forum are better forums for this monkey business. He’s looking at prices, not specifications. But then it’s a $300 controller kit on a $350 bike needing immediate brake upgrades. Pity the guy that sells the motor under warranty when the customer fries it.

EM3ev is very well known throughout the eBike kit world, custom bike DIY fellas, and with high end custom bikes like wattwagon.

Check out the YouTube videos!
 
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Well I appreciate all the information. This is my first build so I am certainly a rookie. I did order the battery and as I already stated it seems to have great reviews both on the dhgate site and on reddit forums. If it's not up to snuff at least it wasnt expensive and then I'll just get the luna cycle direwolf which was my first choice but it's very expensive when you live in Canada. Also I'm already in the process of upgrading my disk breaks. I've already upgraded my seat and added a back rack and front and rear leds as well as reflective rim tape.
 

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I bought a trash battery from btrbattery of Amazon. I got my money back. I bought a trash battery from sun e-bike of ebay. I didn't get my money back.
Take advice above. The luna battery at twice the price worked. Grin & em3ev also have great reputations. You won't pay customs on a grin battery in CAN. Which is why I didn't deal with them, I live in US.
 
Well the battery has been ordered and I'm going to try it out. See how it goes and post about the results
I guess, 130a throttled back, to under the power 30a your battery and the BBSHD controller will put out. Whatever! Have fun, hard to parse why anyone would buy something not in spec with the BAC controller. 96a is more than you’d ever use. When you fry stuff you’ll learn! Have fun! Been there!
 
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