The transition

kevinmccune said:
don't use lithium ion( or petrol either) both very dangerous.
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Be interesting to see what they had for the electrical system.

There are many with LiFePO4 batteries and solar/grid/alternator charging systems in vans that are trouble free; but most also use listed components.

There are a lot of Chinese crap copycat components out there; hopefully tariffs resolve some of the problem components in the USA.
 
Chargeride said:
America will need an extra 2.5 trillion kws to just power cars, plus a four fold grid increase to get that much power to places it never went before.

The only future is grid rationing.

Wind and solar are only 4% of world energy usage, fossil is still 85%, many people take repeating that fact take it as an attack on nature.
Its just the facts ,where we are.

The percentage of fossil is increasing, not decreasing.
The hilarious COP events are doing nothing, not a single promise has been fulfilled in their entire history.
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where do you get this? many different sources show wind and solar at around 15% of electricity generation, up from basically zero just 15 years ago.

yes, a long way to go but solar capacity is increasing incredibly fast, especially outside of the US.

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even using the more general definition of energy it’s still over 6% and growing.

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Yes, we have no official statement, though even pro EV sites are stating it as a Lithium fire, its hard to say because the canal boat is much thicker metal and if the fire brigade just filled it with water that would supress a small battery fire.
Tiresomely they are personally attacking the Vlogger for even reporting it with purile remarks about his voice and appearance.
 
mschwett said:
where do you get this? many different sources show wind and solar at around 15% of electricity generation, up from basically zero just 15 years ago.

yes, a long way to go but solar capacity is increasing incredibly fast, especially outside of the US.

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even using the more general definition of energy it’s still over 6% and growing.

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Electricity only, not total use, Electricity is only 18% of energy use, transport is almost entirely fossil, replacing it with electricity without burning fossil is a tall order.
 
Chargeride said:
America will need an extra 2.5 trillion kws to just power cars, plus a four fold grid increase to get that much power to places it never went before.
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more questionable numbers. here are the real ones

3.2 trillion miles driven in the USA per year. this figure is widely available.

a good electric car can be expected to get about 4 miles per kwh in the near future. many already do better than that, some worse. assume 10% energy loss (DC fast charging is a bit better, but i don’t think that’ll be widespread at home any time soon) and the simple math is 880 billion kwh per year if literally every private passenger mile was electric.

current total electricity consumption in the US is 4 trillion kwh, in 2023. so for every private passenger vehicle to go electric represents a 22% increase.

not nothing, but hardly some kind of apocalypse even if everyone plugged them in at once, which is unlikely and easily avoided.
 
If youre not aware..
Tesla recently secured a major battery supply deal with LG Energy Solution for $4.3 billion, focusing on safer lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries.

Mainly for energy storage plants.
 
Chargeride said:
Electricity only, not total use, Electricity is only 18% of energy use, transport is almost entirely fossil, replacing it with electricity without burning fossil is a tall order.
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take a look at the ourworldindata link. the numbers aren’t quite that extreme, and it seems a well
documented source.

i agree that aviation, marine, and other industrial uses are going to be difficult. other transport is relatively easy as is electricity for general purposes.
 
mschwett said:
more questionable numbers. here are the real ones

3.2 trillion miles driven in the USA per year. this figure is widely available.

a good electric car can be expected to get about 4 miles per kwh in the near future. many already do better than that, some worse. assume 10% energy loss (DC fast charging is a bit better, but i don’t think that’ll be widespread at home any time soon) and the simple math is 880 billion kwh per year if literally every private passenger mile was electric.

current total electricity consumption in the US is 4 trillion kwh, in 2023. so for every private passenger vehicle to go electric represents a 22% increase.

not nothing, but hardly some kind of apocalypse even if everyone plugged them in at once, which is unlikely and easily avoided.
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At the car yes, but they need to produce 40% more to allow for transmission loss and buffer storage, just for cars by the way, and the grid can in no way cope with the huge charging loads in areas with very little electricity use and already overstretched cabling , when they are banding about talk of 1mw charging and massive battery banks to balance the grid.
As I said grid rationing is a must.
Add in trucks, heat pumps, load sharing, house and factory heating, electric industrial furnaces.
The UK admitted to a 4X bigger grid just for cars, they have already started on a 4 lane pylon superhighway from the North sea wind farm.

Its an immense challenge and is eay past current production of the equipment and materials.
 
Chargeride said:
At the car yes, but they need to produce 40% more to allow for transmission loss and buffer storage, just for cars by the way, and the grid can in no way cope with the huge charging loads in areas with very little electricity use and already overstretched cabling , when they are banding about talk of 1mw charging and massive battery banks to balance the grid.
As I said grid rationing is a must.
Add in trucks, heat pumps, load sharing, house and factory heating, electric industrial furnaces.
The UK admitted to a 4X bigger grid just for cars, they have already started on a 4 lane pylon superhighway from the North sea wind farm.

Its an immense challenge and is eay past current production of the equipment and materials.
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you just keep pulling out numbers without easy reference. 40% is crazy for loss, EIA estimates five percent.

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got a better, authoritative source? even if it was 40%, the total number for every passenger car mile driven is not even half of the 2.5 trillion you mentioned, and given the existing 4 trillion
kwh per year, an order of magnitude less than a “four fold” increase in grid.

your point that infrastructure needs to be improve is true, but nobody is going to (or should) listen to people who toss out extreme statistics like that without reference. so, let’s see the reputable figures and math that says it would take a fourfold increase in the US grid to widely switch to electric cars.
 
Everything is doable, the issue is the third world wants the same and we can only reasonably make so much cable, transformers and pylons.

The percent of fossil in energy use is rising not decreasing.

It will just take time, its not like it wont happen till its finished, halfway there is still a huge leap
 
The third party paper for UKs plan going forward with various transport and migration issues has been released.

There is some quite specific details on EV legislation
Electric vehicles will be gps pay per mile by 2027 at a predicted 7p.
Diesel and Petrol will remain a set fee.

They are also likely to go ahead with train journey gps charging after trials.
 
its a yearly seperate road tax, yup 7p a mile, so public charging prices are going to make EVs rath.er expensive
 
Chargeride said:
its a yearly seperate road tax, yup 7p a mile, so public charging prices are going to make EVs rath.er expensive
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we have a "fuel efficient" penalty in the great"commonpoorth" of VA,my Maverick pickup gets a penalty at registration time,forgot exactly how much extra I had to pay.Hard to tell what the EV penalty will be,screw that schise,it should be charge per mile road use fee,which would help discourage so many frivolous trips and drop the added fuel tax,charities,handicapped could get a refund at fiscal year end.
 
kevinmccune said:
we have a "fuel efficient" penalty in the great"commonpoorth" of VA,my Maverick pickup gets a penalty at registration time,forgot exactly how much extra I had to pay.
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Shoulda bought a Ranger 😁

I'm joking. The hybrid Maverick is a great little AWD pickup. I drive an FX4 Ranger, also a great 4WD pickup.
 
I'm familiar with the platform. I get about 4mpg less. It's a much larger vehicle with 7500# tow capacity. 2.3L turbo 4.
 
stompandgo said:
I'm familiar with the platform. I get about 4mpg less. It's a much larger vehicle with 7500# tow capacity. 2.3L turbo 4.
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my uncle bought one,what really sold me on the Maverick was 4 doors also it(to my understanding)is the only Ecoboost with a chain drive on the oil pump,the big problem with a belt running in oil is the difficulty in replacing( guess they had to build in a service point-the new 2 litres are derated and the hybrids uprated to equalize performance I guess,what really sold me on the 22 Maverick was the way the speedometer climbed on the on ramp,it hit 90 mph so fast it amazes me( heard similar things about the 2.3 Rangers,my barber got a Ranger somehow his boys trashed the engine(they had to pay) his hit 90 mph on an uphill ramp,to his amazement,he wasn't expecting that thing to accelerate that fast! If there is anyway I can afford it,my next one would be an EV if I can wait that long.
 
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