vincent
Well-Known Member
this is a full suspension softtail with 2.8 tires on it
because this is fs we have the rohloff but a chain
i was looking for an ultra motor bike early last year but all the frames were big and the bikes really heavy
Ravi connected me to Pushkar and we built a bike off my haibike hard tail geometry so it would fit me
my goal for this bike was to have full suspension and a higher powered/programmable mid drive with throttle
it is to be used for all the forest road/snowmobile roads etc i ride in northern az in the summers
also for long rides 60-100 miles
ride by myself a lot up there and wanted a bike fast enough to leave an area in a hurry if i felt it was warranted- and wanted a throttle for that scenario also
i am decently strong pedaller but am never going to move a haibike with yamaha quickly away, even in high
none of the eu mid drives were going to cut it for ME for this
the bike got here in the fall after i left flagstaff for southern az, so have not gotten in a lot of rides on it yet
but rode a decent amount the last 3 days on similar terrain for what it was built for and wanted to put some feedback on here
this is my first fs bike, all the others have been mostly 3-4 inch tire hard tails/front suspension with bodyfloats on them
can say without a doubt this is the smoothest bike i have owned, it handles rough dirt roads better than any of the others
it just absorbs any and all bumps/including washboard great
much better than my haibike hardtail which was a nice bike and i am sure the front suspension was a pretty good one
for this type of riding wont go back to hardtail after this
i am not mtn biking , just long rides on dirt roads that are not maintained/washed out/rocky/loose rock etc
have a decent amount of sand/washes crossing these roads and it is doing very well in those too
my cadence is 55-65 most of the time and speeds 8-12 mph most of the time using eco pas 1and 2 most of the time, 3-4 for a steep hill
because my frame runs smaller we could not fit 17ah battery so got 2- 14ah and rotate between them, will take them both for planned long rides
right now the bike is running some settings a guy on endless sphere posted that he thinks do well for mtn biking
the last 3 days have been using that and pleased with it, today was 23 miles on sandy/washed out up/down dirt roads and i was very happy with how the bike responded
at this point will leave the settings there
the only problem i have had with how the bike responds has been that on a slow crowded bike path where i am having to do a lot of 6-8mph and slow down/start up a lot getting around people the power would kick in/out with the torque sensor and be annoying- best way to describe it would be a clunk when it kicked in, i am pretty sure the torque can be toned down in the lower settings and am still working on that
other than that the stock settings seemed to work fine
was not happy with my throttle originally, it seemed to be set on 40% max power... changed the settings on that
test rode a biktrix a few days ago because i have heard they are smoother- all the testing i did on this biktrix was level 1 pas eco/green starting from a stop or 2 mph with only pedalling, no throttle
the clunk was a little less on this bike and the motor seemed slightly quieter than mine..
but the clunk was not gone
we have another thread on this stuff about programming
i actually think the clunk using the endless sphere settings is pretty close to the biktrix bike- not sure how much of this may be the rohloff vs the regular gears on the biktrix...
do not notice this off road , only with pavement and very slow riding
off road i do not hear the motor as much or notice any clunking at all
at first this concerned me but i bought this bike because it is programmable and not for paved bike trail riding, have other bikes for that- will continue to work on programming but these last 3 days of using the bike for the terrain i bought it for it has been excellent
battery usage seems about the same to me as all my other bikes, guessing it will get 55 miles minimum to a battery and honestly have paid zero attention to being conservative at all since i got it, so maybe more
my only complaint is the bike weighs 62 without the battery/probably 70lbs with
this is according to one bike shop i use, need to hang it again somewhere else and have this checked, it seems a little lighter than that to me- but not much
was hoping for a bike in the 55-58 lbs range including battery- but after riding this week the extra weight of the fs is totally worth it to me
one observation from today was i will be careful letting friends ride it, especially friends that dont have a lot of bike experience- for this i might consider unplugging the throttle
or i may turn the throttle down from 100% to 80
reason being is a couple of times coming up steep hills today i would get the rohloff in a good gear but not get the pas up a level and use the throttle partway to compensate
this thing moves and i could see myself flipping it over if not careful, the front end got light 2 times- not off the ground but i got off the power quick
my throttle is programmed for a pretty nice smooth ramp up but even with that it is a lot
also using throttle i have always been on hub drive bikes that are not this torquey or this powerful so before that has not been an issue
may add an old man mountain front rack and put some of the weight up there
i have decent amount of stuff in the rear panniers and think this is not helping
Pushkar has been excellent to work with and i would highly recommend the wattwagon bikes
posted some pics of the bike, the tires, suspension and some of the terrain i rode today
because this is fs we have the rohloff but a chain
i was looking for an ultra motor bike early last year but all the frames were big and the bikes really heavy
Ravi connected me to Pushkar and we built a bike off my haibike hard tail geometry so it would fit me
my goal for this bike was to have full suspension and a higher powered/programmable mid drive with throttle
it is to be used for all the forest road/snowmobile roads etc i ride in northern az in the summers
also for long rides 60-100 miles
ride by myself a lot up there and wanted a bike fast enough to leave an area in a hurry if i felt it was warranted- and wanted a throttle for that scenario also
i am decently strong pedaller but am never going to move a haibike with yamaha quickly away, even in high
none of the eu mid drives were going to cut it for ME for this
the bike got here in the fall after i left flagstaff for southern az, so have not gotten in a lot of rides on it yet
but rode a decent amount the last 3 days on similar terrain for what it was built for and wanted to put some feedback on here
this is my first fs bike, all the others have been mostly 3-4 inch tire hard tails/front suspension with bodyfloats on them
can say without a doubt this is the smoothest bike i have owned, it handles rough dirt roads better than any of the others
it just absorbs any and all bumps/including washboard great
much better than my haibike hardtail which was a nice bike and i am sure the front suspension was a pretty good one
for this type of riding wont go back to hardtail after this
i am not mtn biking , just long rides on dirt roads that are not maintained/washed out/rocky/loose rock etc
have a decent amount of sand/washes crossing these roads and it is doing very well in those too
my cadence is 55-65 most of the time and speeds 8-12 mph most of the time using eco pas 1and 2 most of the time, 3-4 for a steep hill
because my frame runs smaller we could not fit 17ah battery so got 2- 14ah and rotate between them, will take them both for planned long rides
right now the bike is running some settings a guy on endless sphere posted that he thinks do well for mtn biking
the last 3 days have been using that and pleased with it, today was 23 miles on sandy/washed out up/down dirt roads and i was very happy with how the bike responded
at this point will leave the settings there
the only problem i have had with how the bike responds has been that on a slow crowded bike path where i am having to do a lot of 6-8mph and slow down/start up a lot getting around people the power would kick in/out with the torque sensor and be annoying- best way to describe it would be a clunk when it kicked in, i am pretty sure the torque can be toned down in the lower settings and am still working on that
other than that the stock settings seemed to work fine
was not happy with my throttle originally, it seemed to be set on 40% max power... changed the settings on that
test rode a biktrix a few days ago because i have heard they are smoother- all the testing i did on this biktrix was level 1 pas eco/green starting from a stop or 2 mph with only pedalling, no throttle
the clunk was a little less on this bike and the motor seemed slightly quieter than mine..
but the clunk was not gone
we have another thread on this stuff about programming
i actually think the clunk using the endless sphere settings is pretty close to the biktrix bike- not sure how much of this may be the rohloff vs the regular gears on the biktrix...
do not notice this off road , only with pavement and very slow riding
off road i do not hear the motor as much or notice any clunking at all
at first this concerned me but i bought this bike because it is programmable and not for paved bike trail riding, have other bikes for that- will continue to work on programming but these last 3 days of using the bike for the terrain i bought it for it has been excellent
battery usage seems about the same to me as all my other bikes, guessing it will get 55 miles minimum to a battery and honestly have paid zero attention to being conservative at all since i got it, so maybe more
my only complaint is the bike weighs 62 without the battery/probably 70lbs with
this is according to one bike shop i use, need to hang it again somewhere else and have this checked, it seems a little lighter than that to me- but not much
was hoping for a bike in the 55-58 lbs range including battery- but after riding this week the extra weight of the fs is totally worth it to me
one observation from today was i will be careful letting friends ride it, especially friends that dont have a lot of bike experience- for this i might consider unplugging the throttle
or i may turn the throttle down from 100% to 80
reason being is a couple of times coming up steep hills today i would get the rohloff in a good gear but not get the pas up a level and use the throttle partway to compensate
this thing moves and i could see myself flipping it over if not careful, the front end got light 2 times- not off the ground but i got off the power quick
my throttle is programmed for a pretty nice smooth ramp up but even with that it is a lot
also using throttle i have always been on hub drive bikes that are not this torquey or this powerful so before that has not been an issue
may add an old man mountain front rack and put some of the weight up there
i have decent amount of stuff in the rear panniers and think this is not helping
Pushkar has been excellent to work with and i would highly recommend the wattwagon bikes
posted some pics of the bike, the tires, suspension and some of the terrain i rode today
oops, I didn't know that you already had that option for the CrossTour.
