Hi Power Cycles?

[Racingkyle]

No. The Stealth BOMBER and the Revolution are the most similar in power and specs but the Revolution is lighter and faster and a better hill climber. The bomber has a seriously HUGE frame. Unfortunately with all that beef you get a lot of weight. The "Tank" is so wide between your knees that you have to ride Splay Legged or you'll bang your knees.I found it to be somewhat uncomfortable to ride myself.

I much prefer a standard beefed up bike with the battery in a bag or in the form of a Bottle Battery. It's much narrower and doesn't add as much weight. That being said, there is indeed something for everyone. I like what I've chosen. It's a better alternative to the motorbike look and it's lighter, faster, and comes from a company 5 hours from here versus a company in Australia. As a small business owner myself, I prefer to support small businesses here in the USA. Different strokes for different folks.

You have a very bias argument. you have done what companies want you to do, fall for their marketing. Sure the stealth is wide, but that is for a reason. when you compare an e bike to a motorcycle. motorcycles are very large. When an e bike has similar specs to a motorcycle, you would want it to be beefy for your own safety. find me one YouTube video on HPC bike reviews on YouTube. there are none! There are tons of reviews online about stealth by customers. that tells you a lot. You are risking safety for something that is unlike everything on the market. Who straps batteries in a bag to a frame? That will heat up the batteries, and if you fall will allow them to be damaged. and the small tubes of the frame? for 40+ mph?! Are you willing to risk your safety?? This is like a home made project. just a bike conversion kit with extra batteries strapped on. Stealth can justify their price for custom manufacturing. HPC can't

 

[bareyb]

I am very limited by roads. No resident rides a bike in my neighborhood. No bike lanes on a 10% grade hill. The speed limit is 35, but most cars go 40. I must go up a steep hill at least at 35mph in the RH lane. I run up the hill, so I imagine I can pedal hard.

That mid Drive bike is 35 mph on the flats with a 170 pound rider. I'd guess it would take more horsepower to do what you're wanting to do. If you find a bike that powerful under 50 pounds, please post back. I'd like to see it too.

 

[bareyb]

You have a very bias argument. you have done what companies want you to do, fall for their marketing. Sure the stealth is wide, but that is for a reason. when you compare an e bike to a motorcycle. motorcycles are very large. When an e bike has similar specs to a motorcycle, you would want it to be beefy for your own safety. find me one YouTube video on HPC bike reviews on YouTube. there are none! There are tons of reviews online about stealth by customers. that tells you a lot. You are risking safety for something that is unlike everything on the market. Who straps batteries in a bag to a frame? That will heat up the batteries, and if you fall will allow them to be damaged. and the small tubes of the frame? for 40+ mph?! Are you willing to risk your safety?? This is like a home made project. just a bike conversion kit with extra batteries strapped on. Stealth can justify their price for custom manufacturing. HPC can't

Lol. I have a biased argument? You stealth owners are a joke. I can't believe the amount of crap I'm taking from you guys. The only real difference between the HPC and the Stealth is the FRAME. Do you understand that? There's no magical properties to Stealth bombers. They are simply off the shelf components put into a very large and heavy frame. Just like any other e-bike. What is so hard to understand about that for you guys?

Can you not understand that not everyone needs a HUGE HEAVY FRAMED bike? The real irony here is that we basically have the same bike. Same motor, same controller, same basic components. You're just pissed off because I bought mine with a different frame than you did from a dealer in California.

So really we're in the same club you and I. We should be friends! Not dissing each other's choices. For real. I can afford any bike in the World that I want. I am happy with my choice. I'm sorry if that pisses you off. This is an HPC thread and I'm talking about an HPC bike as I have every right to do. Now how about you stop trolling and trying to sell everyone on your Stealth stuff and realize it's not the best choice for every person? I'm glad you love it though. It's a fine bike for it's intended purpose.

 

[Racingkyle]

Lol. I have a biased argument? You stealth owners are a joke. I can't believe the amount of crap I'm taking from you guys. The only real difference between the HPC and the Stealth is the FRAME. Do you understand that? There's no magical properties to Stealth bombers. They are simply off the shelf components put into a very large and heavy frame. Just like any other e-bike. What is so hard to understand about that for you guys?

Can you not understand that not everyone needs a HUGE HEAVY FRAMED bike? The real irony here is that we basically have the same bike. You're just pissed off because I bought mine with a different frame than you did from a dealer in California. So really we're in the same club you and I. We should be friends! Not dissing each other's choices. For real. I can afford any bike in the World that I want. I am happy with my choice. I'm sorry if that pisses you off. This is an HPC thread and I'm talking about an HPC bike as I have every right to do. Now how about you stop trolling and trying to sell everyone on your Stealth stuff and realize it's not the best choice for every person? I'm glad you love it though. It's a fine bike for it's intended purpose.

I don't own a stealth e-bike. I just have heard so many threads that people are getting bikes from HPC in which their motors are not rated for the amount of power they are receiving.

 

[Mike leroy]

That mid Drive bike is 35 mph on the flats with a 170 pound rider. I'd guess it would take more horsepower to do what you're wanting to do. If you find a bike that powerful under 50 pounds, please post back. I'd like to see it too.

The bikes over 50 pounds seem to be about 70 pounds. They have less torque than the 120Nm M1. it seems my best chances are with the M1. If the M1 cannot compete with cars, than I wait another year. I am patient.

 

[Racingkyle]

The bikes over 50 pounds seem to be about 70 pounds. They have less torque than the 120Nm M1. it seems my best chances are with the M1. If the M1 cannot compete with cars, than I wait another year. I am patient.

I believe that the M1 does compete with cars. 45mph for 60-90 miles. wow!

 

[bareyb]

I don't own a stealth e-bike. I just have heard so many threads that people are getting bikes from HPC in which their motors are not rated for the amount of power they are receiving.

That's complete and total BS. I've seen those trolls and the owner of HPC outed them for being liars. Did you know that? It was the same two guys going all over the web under different names and talking crap about HPC. Not one of them could prove they ever bought a bike from HPC. No invoices, no order numbers, nothing. It was a complete and total lie.

Besides, as you guys like to point out, they use the same freaking motors and controllers. If HPC is putting too much power through the motors than Stealth definitely is. In fact, stealth pulls more Amps through the motors for the same workload since they are so much heavier. HPC frames are not off the rack frames by the way. Another bit of BS you guys like to spread. They are specially designed and manufactured for them and are reinforced for e-bike use. Of course none of you guys ever bother to research any of your claims, so you wouldn't know that.

It sounds like your just parroting BS claims you've heard on the Internet. Jesus.. that's weak. You have NO first hand experience with HPC and yet, you are going around trying to destroy the reputations of two hard working young men who trying to do their part to advance our cause. You are a piece of work. I suggest if you don't know what you're talking about that you stop spreading unsubstantiated crap you heard on the Internet.

 

[Racingkyle]

That's complete and total BS. I've seen those trolls and the owner of HPC outed them for being liars. Did you know that? It was the same two guys going all over the web under different names and talking crap about HPC. Not one of them could prove they ever bought a bike from HPC. No invoices, no order numbers, nothing. It was a complete and total lie.

Besides, as you guys like to point out, they use the same freaking motors and controllers. If HPC is putting too much power through the motors than Stealth definitely is. In fact, stealth pulls more Amps through the motors for the same workload since they are so much heavier. HPC frames are not off the rack frames by the way. Another bit of BS you guys like to spread. They are specially designed and manufactured for them and are reinforced for e-bike use. Of course none of you guys ever bother to research any of your claims, so you wouldn't know that.

It sounds like your just parroting BS claims you've heard on the Internet. Jesus.. that's weak. You have NO first hand experience with HPC and yet, you are going around trying to destroy the reputations of two hard working young men who trying to do their part to advance our cause. You are a piece of work. I suggest if you don't know what you're talking about that you stop spreading unsubstantiated crap you heard on the Internet.

Excuse me, but I don't appreciate being spoken to that way. I saw a whole thread with multiple people. Maybe it was bs, but how do you expect me to know? You expect me to think s thread if fake with a bunch of different contributors. Pardon me, but I had no way of thinking it was untrue.

 

[Racingkyle]

That's complete and total BS. I've seen those trolls and the owner of HPC outed them for being liars. Did you know that? It was the same two guys going all over the web under different names and talking crap about HPC. Not one of them could prove they ever bought a bike from HPC. No invoices, no order numbers, nothing. It was a complete and total lie.

Besides, as you guys like to point out, they use the same freaking motors and controllers. If HPC is putting too much power through the motors than Stealth definitely is. In fact, stealth pulls more Amps through the motors for the same workload since they are so much heavier. HPC frames are not off the rack frames by the way. Another bit of BS you guys like to spread. They are specially designed and manufactured for them and are reinforced for e-bike use. Of course none of you guys ever bother to research any of your claims, so you wouldn't know that.

It sounds like your just parroting BS claims you've heard on the Internet. Jesus.. that's weak. You have NO first hand experience with HPC and yet, you are going around trying to destroy the reputations of two hard working young men who trying to do their part to advance our cause. You are a piece of work. I suggest if you don't know what you're talking about that you stop spreading unsubstantiated crap you heard on the Internet.

Read this thread if you think I'm an idiot, but I could easily defend myself for believing this thread.
http://electricbikereview.com/community/threads/us-ebike-company-hi-power-cycles.415/

 

[bareyb]

Read this thread if you think I'm an idiot, but I could easily defend myself for believing this thread.
http://electricbikereview.com/community/threads/us-ebike-company-hi-power-cycles.415/

Yeah, If you notice that guy's responses have been removed from the thread or he deleted them himself. Thats one of the examples I'm talking about. HPC outed him for being a fake. After that he disappeared and never came back. Even so, I think it's pretty bad form to go around bashing a small business and accusing the owners of being dishonest when you have never once dealt with them directly yourself. I think that's fair enough. Regurgitating unsubstantiated statements you read on Internet Forums isn't "truth" and you're going out of your way to hurt real people.

How about this? How about you call HPC and talk to the Owners. Maybe watch Court's video tour of their factory. They are intelligent well educated young men who had the balls to step out and try and do something on their own. They make a very high quality product and I hope they do well.

 

[Mike leroy]

That mid Drive bike is 35 mph on the flats with a 170 pound rider. I'd guess it would take more horsepower to do what you're wanting to do. If you find a bike that powerful under 50 pounds, please post back. I'd like to see it too.

Press Release

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Brammo has designed and developed numerous electric vehicles, including the award-winning Enertia and Empulse motorcycles. Brammo’s motorcycles have won numerous racing championships including the 2013 FIM eRR North American World Cup Champion and 2012 TTXGP World Championship.

What does this mean for electric bicycles? Quite significant because Polaris also sells the Aapex eBike. Brammo batteries are NCM, which can halve battery weight and double power.

Brammo supplies these products, including the Brammo Power™ battery pack and Brammo Power™ vehicle management systems, globally to a wide range of OEMs.

 

[Racingkyle]

Press Release

(Link Removed - No Longer Exists)​

Brammo has designed and developed numerous electric vehicles, including the award-winning Enertia and Empulse motorcycles. Brammo’s motorcycles have won numerous racing championships including the 2013 FIM eRR North American World Cup Champion and 2012 TTXGP World Championship.

What does this mean for electric bicycles? Quite significant because Polaris also sells the Aapex eBike. Brammo batteries are NCM, which can halve battery weight and double power.

Brammo supplies these products, including the Brammo Power™ battery pack and Brammo Power™ vehicle management systems, globally to a wide range of OEMs.

I honestly think that it will take a while for this to happen, I think currently it is just "in their possession" They will probably wait to see how the market is shaped. Sounds like the most reasonable thing to do

 

[Racingkyle]

Yeah, If you notice that guy's responses have been removed from the thread or he deleted them himself. Thats one of the examples I'm talking about. HPC outed him for being a fake. After that he disappeared and never came back. Even so, I think it's pretty bad form to go around bashing a small business and accusing the owners of being dishonest when you have never once dealt with them directly yourself. I think that's fair enough. Regurgitating unsubstantiated statements you read on Internet Forums isn't "truth" and you're going out of your way to hurt real people.

How about this? How about you call HPC and talk to the Owners. Maybe watch Court's video tour of their factory. They are intelligent well educated young men who had the balls to step out and try and do something on their own. They make a very high quality product and I hope they do well.

I saw the Hpc revolution x 6. how is it 104 volts, 6000watt motor, and go 60 mph?! That's awesome if it's real!!

 

[Mike leroy]

I honestly think that it will take a while for this to happen, I think currently it is just "in their possession" They will probably wait to see how the market is shaped. Sounds like the most reasonable thing to do

I spoke with Polaris for over an hour about motorsports coming to bikes. They are serious. That is how they differentiate themselves. They do not think of themselves as bicycle manufactures. They are a motorsports company.

 

[Racingkyle]

I spoke with Polaris for over an hour about motorsports coming to bikes. They are serious. That is how they differentiate themselves. They do not think of themselves as bicycle manufactures. They are a motorsports company.

I emailed them, I'll tell you what the reply was! If they make a high tech electric bike I would be excited, but they have to make up a lot of ground to catch up with the M1

 

[Mike leroy]

I emailed them, I'll tell you what the reply was! If they make a high tech electric bike I would be excited, but they have to make up a lot of ground to catch up with the M1

True. Put watch the first four videos in this post. They are ahead of M1 in a motorsports sense. M1 is 10x ahead in the bicycle sense.

http://electricbikereview.com/commu...-mt-shasta-100-mile-ride-on-one-battery.1379/

 

[Racingkyle]

True. Put watch the first four videos in this post. They are ahead of M1 in a motorsports sense. M1 is 10x ahead in the bicycle sense.

http://electricbikereview.com/commu...-mt-shasta-100-mile-ride-on-one-battery.1379/

Just the sheer efficiency on the M1 is like no other.

 

[Mike leroy]

Just the sheer efficiency on the M1 is like no other.

I agree. I am extremely impressed with M1. I respect Polaris.

 

[stevenast]

Wow, exciting posts, but over the past few hours, the only ebike owner I see for sure is @bareyb ...

Hey Mike, the grade of your hill keeps changing (I know three routes.... )

A good ebike can make your 10% grade, even with some groceries!

 

[stevenast]

You have a very bias argument. you have done what companies want you to do, fall for their marketing. Sure the stealth is wide, but that is for a reason. when you compare an e bike to a motorcycle. motorcycles are very large. When an e bike has similar specs to a motorcycle, you would want it to be beefy for your own safety. find me one YouTube video on HPC bike reviews on YouTube. there are none! There are tons of reviews online about stealth by customers. that tells you a lot. You are risking safety for something that is unlike everything on the market. Who straps batteries in a bag to a frame? That will heat up the batteries, and if you fall will allow them to be damaged. and the small tubes of the frame? for 40+ mph?! Are you willing to risk your safety?? This is like a home made project. just a bike conversion kit with extra batteries strapped on. Stealth can justify their price for custom manufacturing. HPC can't

Got news for you, the weight of a bike or motorcycle is not really a safety feature.