Mike leroy
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Which eBike battery chemistry is better for Century rides in the Cascade Mountains, NCA or NMC? More importantly, how to improvise a "battery fuel gauge" to measure the runtime performance of the two battery chemistries. The formal term is state-of-charge.
A Smart Battery System is one approach. I am willing to accept the Cycle Analyst v3 as a make-shift "battery fuel gauge". The intelligence comes from the rider, but may be the best general solution for eBikes today. Maxim Integrated touts a combined voltage and charge approach that is claimed superior to either method alone; it is implemented in their ModelGauge m3 series of chips, such as MAX17050,[4][5] which is used in the Nexus 6 and Nexus 9Android devices, for example.[6]
A first order approximation of 17 Amp-hour battery might be able to complete the 100 mile Mount Shasta ride. A Google Sheet with Amp-hour consumption cases for Shasta.
If one battery is inadequate, then a 90 minute recharge at the lunch break location, i.e., 69 mile mark.
The basic chemical differences are manganese (NMC) vs. aluminum (NCA). Tesla uses NCA. Nissan Leaf, Chevy Volt and BMW i3 use NMC.
An article from Battery University provides background information about an eBike "battery fuel gauge":
"Most batteries for medical, military and computing devices are “smart.” This means that some level of communication occurs between the battery, the equipment and the user. The definitions of “smart” vary among manufacturers and regulatory authorities and the most basic smart battery may contain nothing more than a chip that sets the charger to the correct charge algorithm.
In the eyes of the Smart Battery System (SBS) forum, these batteries cannot be called smart. The SBS forum states that a smart battery must provide state-of-charge (SoC) indications. Benchmarq was the first company to offer fuel-gauge technology in 1990 and today, many manufacturers offer integrated circuit (IC) chips in single-wire and two-wire systems, also known as System Management Bus (Intel/Duracell SMBus)."
Ion batteries require a battery management system to prevent operation outside each cell's safe operating area (max-charge, min-charge, safe temperature range) and to balance cells to eliminate state of charge mismatches. This significantly improves battery efficiency and increases capacity. As the number of cells and load currents increase, the potential for mismatch increases. The two kinds of mismatch are state-of-charge (SOC) and capacity/energy ("C/E"). Though SOC is more common, each problem limits pack charge capacity (mA·h) to that of the weakest cell.
Charts will be uploaded today as time permits.
A Smart Battery System is one approach. I am willing to accept the Cycle Analyst v3 as a make-shift "battery fuel gauge". The intelligence comes from the rider, but may be the best general solution for eBikes today. Maxim Integrated touts a combined voltage and charge approach that is claimed superior to either method alone; it is implemented in their ModelGauge m3 series of chips, such as MAX17050,[4][5] which is used in the Nexus 6 and Nexus 9Android devices, for example.[6]
A first order approximation of 17 Amp-hour battery might be able to complete the 100 mile Mount Shasta ride. A Google Sheet with Amp-hour consumption cases for Shasta.
If one battery is inadequate, then a 90 minute recharge at the lunch break location, i.e., 69 mile mark.
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The basic chemical differences are manganese (NMC) vs. aluminum (NCA). Tesla uses NCA. Nissan Leaf, Chevy Volt and BMW i3 use NMC.
An article from Battery University provides background information about an eBike "battery fuel gauge":
"Most batteries for medical, military and computing devices are “smart.” This means that some level of communication occurs between the battery, the equipment and the user. The definitions of “smart” vary among manufacturers and regulatory authorities and the most basic smart battery may contain nothing more than a chip that sets the charger to the correct charge algorithm.
In the eyes of the Smart Battery System (SBS) forum, these batteries cannot be called smart. The SBS forum states that a smart battery must provide state-of-charge (SoC) indications. Benchmarq was the first company to offer fuel-gauge technology in 1990 and today, many manufacturers offer integrated circuit (IC) chips in single-wire and two-wire systems, also known as System Management Bus (Intel/Duracell SMBus)."
Ion batteries require a battery management system to prevent operation outside each cell's safe operating area (max-charge, min-charge, safe temperature range) and to balance cells to eliminate state of charge mismatches. This significantly improves battery efficiency and increases capacity. As the number of cells and load currents increase, the potential for mismatch increases. The two kinds of mismatch are state-of-charge (SOC) and capacity/energy ("C/E"). Though SOC is more common, each problem limits pack charge capacity (mA·h) to that of the weakest cell.
Charts will be uploaded today as time permits.
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