Building a ebike for a small person with a budget of <$700

GamzNadir

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Fond du Lac
EDITTED: Was "Choosing a bike." Edit to make it clearer.

The bike needs to be under 500w, must have pedals, max speed of 20mph, to comply with state/federal laws. (So class 1 or 2)
If anyone knows Wisconsin electric bike laws PLEASE share!

Suggestions for racks/baskets/bags/cargo trailers are welcome.
Any suggestions for keeping the battery and wires warm/dry during winter/rain are also appreciated.

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NEXT Power Climber 20" Mountain Bike:
Frame: durable, steel frame
Handlebars: steel
Suspension: full
Gearing: 18 speeds
Derailleur: Shimano
Seat: height adjustable, cushioned seat
Brakes: front and rear V-brakes
Brake Levers: alloy
Pedals: steel

1990s Murray “MT. Climber”
Frame: durable, steel frame
Handlebars: steel
Suspension: none
Gearing: 10 speeds
 

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At this price point, you be buying a lot of features, but wheels that won't stay round or straight, cables that need adjustment all the time, possibly a headset that slips or a frame that fractures. Check brand forum known problems and solutions about any brand you intend to buy. Electric bikes under $1000 tend to use the parts that one finds on the cheapest kiddie quality bikes at discount stores. My diamondback MTB the wheels were so small the tires would fall off the rim. The shimano rear axle on that bike broke under my enormous 180 lb. My Pacific Quantum MTB, the plastic crank arm wore out at about 4000 miles. I couldn't get it off.
I'm one of the max cargo shoppers here, and I limit my loads to about 80 lb on 2.1"x26" tires. I have a bike I paid $2000 in 2017 with 2 bags, dual leg stand, & front basket, for before I put electricity on it for $840. Shown in picture. No wheel or cable problems. I broke a fender once with my foot. I don't believe in trailers, on streets, they are invisible. My bike has been hit twice by cars even with bright green paint on the ends.
Having burnt up harness on my best motor in the rain, I have downgraded to geared hubmotors I'm buying used for $36. I bought some 21 lb 36 v batteries from same shop for $75+60 freight but don't know yet if they are a bargain or scrap. BAE systems surplus. I finished the charger to 42.8 v last week. If I were starting out again I would buy another geared hub motor kit from ebikeling.com of Chicagoland. His batteries don't cause complaints either.
The cheapest stretch cargo bike I know of is the mongoose envoy. It is not powered. It would not be fun to carry up the stairs. My bike is 88 lb with motor & battery but no bags, tools, or supplies. There is a thread about the mongoose conversion down on diykits thread. My wiring is external and some here look down their nose at that.
I take my battery off the bike when it begins to freeze. It is back on again at the end of April. My battery is wrapped in white foam that it was shipped in, a plastic bag, and the charge & power leads are pointed down out of the plastic bag and have a drip loop. Enclosing all that is aluminum angle from HD screwed together with SS #10 screws & elastic stop nuts from mcmaster.com . Nothing like the batteries integrated into frames with the contacts pointed up at the rain. It is a generic 48 v 17.5 AH battery. I use insulated .250" flag terminals crimped off the wires, since the XT60 charge connector fell off. Dorman flag terminals are reliable, the crimp terminals from ***** melt out at 30 amps. Reverse the + & - direction so you can't plug it in backwards.
If you don't want to convert, the Blix Packa is small, 24" wheels, and has 3 complaints on the brand forum. https://blixbike.com/pages/electric-bikes
I tried carrying groceries in baskets on a $150 MTB, and the weight made the steering unstable. Weight on the back lifts the front tire. I've been over the handlebars on my chin 5 times since 2008 on the MTB's and a cruiser with rear baskets. Last time I broke it, just before I bought the stretch frame bike 12/17. One time a dog attacked the front wheel and knocked the MTB over sideways spilling groceries all over Hwy 3.
I ride year round with varying amounts of clothing. I ride knobby tires year round, Kendas or Giants. These give me enough traction on snow, but nothing but spikes works on ice. I will ride at 6 deg F in Welles Lamont farmer mittens, oven mitts over, 3 pairs socks, 6 layers top and 3 layers pants. I use carhartt insulated pants under 15 F. Welder's helmet liner in my helmet, and safety glasses.
Ensure you have enough money for a stout security device to lock the bike up. Lots of threads about those on parts, also general forum. I use a 6'x1/2" SS sling and a Abus 92/80 lock around power poles gas meters & live 440 vac conduits. Not those cheapo sheet metal loops cities bolt to the sidewalk. One $2 wrench, bolt loosened, bike gone.
 
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I have a work colleague who rides a Nakto Camel, its her second one, the first lasted for two years before she bought the replacement. It is a Class 2 with a throttle and rack. The 6-speed derailleur is very basic, and the bike is very heavy because it is all steel, 60lb. If you can stretch your budget by $100 you might be interested in the Propella Mini, on sale for $800 until May 1. It weighs just 33lb which is lightweight for an ebike. The accessory rear rack isn’t able to hold much, just 25lb, so I might suggest looking into a trailer if you want to tow 100lb
 
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I have a work colleague who rides a Nakto Camel, its her second one, the first lasted for two years before she bought the replacement. It is a Class 2 with a throttle and rack. The 6-speed derailleur is very basic, and the bike is very heavy because it is all steel, 60lb. If you can stretch your budget by $100 you might be interested in the Propella Mini, on sale for $800 until May 1. It weighs just 33lb which is lightweight for an ebike. The accessory rear rack isn’t able to hold much, just 25lb, so I might suggest looking into a trailer if you want to tow 100lb

I've actually looked at the Propella Mini! Unfortunately I only have 600 in my bank right now, since my sister stole $700 from me and hasn't returned it yet, she spent it all.. (She linked my card to her account, and bought a laptop and concert tickets with my card, she's the reason I'm moving out next year.) *this happened a few months ago so not a lot I can do. I'm waiting on my paycheck ($200 ish that I'm getting tomorrow *29th) and my tax return ($80 + $700 that I apparently am eligibly for.. but haven't seen so, not getting my hopes up on that one.) I definitely wanted to get that one, but it's not much of an option right now.

But the Nakto is something I might look into, all I need is for it to last 2 years so that'll be perfect, and weight isn't much of a problem for me! I could definitely carry a 60 pound bike if needed, but we have a ramp to our door so getting it out of the house for work would be pretty simple (I plan to live in a first floor apartment, stairs would be an issue for visiting family so I want to avoid that, if comes down to it I'll work with the landlord so it's a non-issue. Bike lifts are a thing after all.) The trailer looks pretty nice too, I looked at something similar but it was pricy. This also looks very easy to get through doorways/narrow hallways so that will be very helpful in the future with maneuvering it through the apartment :D
 
So the brand forum known problems thread has 28 posts about ancheer. Court reviewed one, https://electricbikereview.com/ancheer/power-plus-electric-mountain-bike/ Said the suspension kept bottoming out and the wattage was wimpy, maybe 250 w peak not average. His test bike also burnt out the controller & later the battery. Couple of other dead batteries on the brand forum, as well as a motor that dropped the magnets because the glue failed.
Really, a used pedal bike that your convert yourself with a hub motor kit from ebikeling or greenenergy Is about the only way to make your price. I've had it with bargain batteries, 2 of them taking up space in the garage. Got the money back for one from Amazon since the failure was the first day I got it. BIkes from trek, giant, specialized, townie, cannondale, kona are made of real parts, not mystery metal. Trouble is most used bikes from quality brands I see on craigslist are for enormous people. 54 cm frames. Won't fit me or you either. Only used cargo bikes I saw, a xtracycle and a kona ute, both were for big people. Used Ebikes are not usually a bargain, since the failures congragrate on the used market.
Notice a burley trailer was on sale last week at modernbike for $400. Lot of money to pay for an attachment that probably would be run over on streets. Requires a second $110 security system to lock it up to a pole, too. I think 20" tires are rediculous on streets with potholes, and trailers have 16" or 12" tires. Trailers have a lot more air drag than a pair of bags behind my legs, too.
Nice thing about my $2000 bike, 4 years & 8000 miles later, it still works fine. I've been through 2 motors, but one was $221 and the other $740. 3rd one was $36: I get smarter the longer I read this forum. Battery from luna is 3 1/2 years old and still fine. (he's out of the 36 V & 48 v battery business). I've been through 10 tires, 1 set brake shoes, 1 replacement chain, 4 headlights & 3 taillights (stolen, vandalized, rained out).
 
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I understand when some things just are out of budget. BUT, I'd really suggest starting a saving account, a jar at home or making small deposits into a bank savings account and being patient. Saving dollars to buy an eBike that is sustainable and has a decent parts chain and support. I get that it's frustrating money struggles are never fun, but spending your hard-earned dollars on an eBike that may well become an anchor and end up unrepairable will be a miserable event.

I've been there. I get it, but I hate to see a good fellow end up with a $700 disappointment.

If you have a bike that you like and fits you maybe a kit could be a good alternative. A decent and safest battery will cost $500 but will last for 5-6 years if managed. @harryS @PedalUma are incredibly good sources for kit builders. They forgot more than many here know about kit builds.

Where do you live?

All the best!

Tom
 
OOPS!!! Fondu Lac A long drive from here but I'd bet there are local kit guys.

I'd look for a 24" wheel bike to kit.
$289 bike. $484.01 EM3ev battery (a safe excellent build). Another $250-$400 front hub drive. Easiest build and since you don't have hills a front hub drive will be a good option.

So for $1200 you could have a really nice ride.

I forgot to link @AHicks is another good builder.

A TSDZ2 mid drive is another good choice!

 
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Here's a 26" trek in Racine WI in a 16.25" frame (small) for $175. Suitable candidate for conversion by a small person. https://racine.craigslist.org/bik/d/racine-mens-26-trek-series-21-speed-mtb/7476543716.html
Don't put a front hub motor on an aluminum or carbon front fork. Steel is okay for front hub motors.
Here is a Nakto Camel electric bike in Mt Pleasant WI for $625. Owner says his wife broke her foot with it. Includes rear cargo bags and front basket. https://racine.craigslist.org/bik/d/racine-nakto-camel/7474181447.html
 
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28 posts about ancheer
The battery on that one does not have a management chip and the cells are garbage. The battery sits out front of the handlebar and swings the steering. It is total garbage. Like birthday gimmick toy that breaks the first week. Better to burn your money in a pile than to buy a junky bike. It also could burn down your home. Charging would need to be outside on a timer. Get a good used bike from Craigslist ride it while you save for a decent conversion. @tomjasz knows.
 
At this price point, you be buying a lot of features, but wheels that won't stay round or straight, cables that need adjustment all the time, possibly a headset that slips or a frame that fractures. Check brand forum known problems and solutions about any brand you intend to buy. Electric bikes under $1000 tend to use the parts that one finds on the cheapest kiddie quality bikes at discount stores. My diamondback MTB the wheels were so small the tires would fall off the rim. The shimano rear axle on that bike broke under my enormous 180 lb. My Pacific Quantum MTB, the plastic crank arm wore out at about 4000 miles. I couldn't get it off.
I'm one of the max cargo shoppers here, and I limit my loads to about 80 lb on 2.1"x26" tires. I have a bike I paid $2000 in 2017 with 2 bags, dual leg stand, & front basket, for before I put electricity on it for $840. Shown in picture. No wheel or cable problems. I broke a fender once with my foot. I don't believe in trailers, on streets, they are invisible. My bike has been hit twice by cars even with bright green paint on the ends.
Having burnt up harness on my best motor in the rain, I have downgraded to geared hubmotors I'm buying used for $36. I bought some 21 lb 36 v batteries from same shop for $75+60 freight but don't know yet if they are a bargain or scrap. BAE systems surplus. I finished the charger to 42.8 v last week. If I were starting out again I would buy another geared hub motor kit from ebikeling.com of Chicagoland. His batteries don't cause complaints either.
The cheapest stretch cargo bike I know of is the mongoose envoy. It is not powered. It would not be fun to carry up the stairs. My bike is 88 lb with motor & battery but no bags, tools, or supplies. There is a thread about the mongoose conversion down on diykits thread. My wiring is external and some here look down their nose at that.
I take my battery off the bike when it begins to freeze. It is back on again at the end of April. My battery is wrapped in white foam that it was shipped in, a plastic bag, and the charge & power leads are pointed down out of the plastic bag and have a drip loop. Enclosing all that is aluminum angle from HD screwed together with SS #10 screws & elastic stop nuts from mcmaster.com . Nothing like the batteries integrated into frames with the contacts pointed up at the rain. It is a generic 48 v 17.5 AH battery. I use insulated .250" flag terminals crimped off the wires, since the XT60 charge connector fell off. Dorman flag terminals are reliable, the crimp terminals from ***** melt out at 30 amps. Reverse the + & - direction so you can't plug it in backwards.
If you don't want to convert, the Blix Packa is small, 24" wheels, and has 3 complaints on the brand forum. https://blixbike.com/pages/electric-bikes
I tried carrying groceries in baskets on a $150 MTB, and the weight made the steering unstable. Weight on the back lifts the front tire. I've been over the handlebars on my chin 5 times since 2008 on the MTB's and a cruiser with rear baskets. Last time I broke it, just before I bought the stretch frame bike 12/17. One time a dog attacked the front wheel and knocked the MTB over sideways spilling groceries all over Hwy 3.
I ride year round with varying amounts of clothing. I ride knobby tires year round, Kendas or Giants. These give me enough traction on snow, but nothing but spikes works on ice. I will ride at 6 deg F in Welles Lamont farmer mittens, oven mitts over, 3 pairs socks, 6 layers top and 3 layers pants. I use carhartt insulated pants under 15 F. Welder's helmet liner in my helmet, and safety glasses.
Ensure you have enough money for a stout security device to lock the bike up. Lots of threads about those on parts, also general forum. I use a 6'x1/2" SS sling and a Abus 92/80 lock around power poles gas meters & live 440 vac conduits. Not those cheapo sheet metal loops cities bolt to the sidewalk. One $2 wrench, bolt loosened, bike gone.

Lot to unpack, okay so, first thing, you did kind of remind me that I could possibly turn a regular mountain bike into an electric bike with a little bit of elbow grease and a helpful bike stop employee if they'd be chill with it. It would be better then getting an entire bike for now, since I would have a trustworthy frame and to work with. That will be something I will consult a local bike shop about first, trust me when I say I will not take that kind of thing lightly, That will be at least a month from now before I do anything like that If I even choose to do so. Gonna compare pros and cons of all my options.

And yeah, I do understand that pedestrians and bikers are invisible on the road, but if parents can trust someone to not run over their child in the back of their bike trailer, I can trust they won't run over my groceries. I'll slap on one of those tall bright red flags, break lights, and a horn to blare every single time I cross an intersection (It's what we do at my job, we make ourselves highly visible and LOUD when we're crossing a "street") I also just would avoid using it on weekdays when the road is busy. My local store isn't to far, and I can easily just avoid the main road entirely.

For security, I will keep the bike indoors at any given time, at work it will be in the breakroom with me or in the guard house with the security guard. At home it will stay in the garage, inside the house during winter to keep things from deteriorating during short-term storage. At the store, the "cheap metal loops cities bolt to the sidewalk" don't really exist around here..? We have these GAINT metal racks, you need a forklift to move those things. I've seen a few metal loops but people use them to parkour off of more then anyone uses them to park a bike with. I'd much rather lock my bike to the stores door or to a tree. ( shops let you do it if you're just hopping in for less then 15 minutes.) I will never stay in any store for more then 10 if I can help it tbh. I.. don't like people, and my immune system is like that of a old man, I'm very careful with this kind of stuff, I plan to slap a GPS onto the bike that would be pretty difficult to remove, if you even know it's there in the first place. One on the wheel that houses the motor, one on the bike frame itself.

Though thanks for linking that cargo bike! That's definitely something I'll save for the future to look for when making my second bike purchase. I do plan to actually get a good decent bike in the range of 2 to 3 grand. I just need one now to get around and take back some of my independence, my parents are only willing to drive me to work on weekends. I am limited to working 2 days a week until I have my own ride. Otherwise it's a nearly 2 hour walk to work every morning. I don't really want to have to get up at 3am just to get to work on time.

Though I will take your advice on quite a few different areas that I didn't quite think about, I've been grabbing and copying pasting things into a notepad and keeping track of as much info as I can get. And this forum as a lot of it, which I am very very glad for.
 
I understand when some things just are out of budget. BUT, I'd really suggest starting a saving account, a jar at home or making small deposits into a bank savings account and being patient. Saving dollars to buy an eBike that is sustainable and has a decent parts chain and support. I get that it's frustrating money struggles are never fun, but spending your hard-earned dollars on an eBike that may well become an anchor and end up unrepairable will be a miserable event.

I've been there. I get it, but I hate to see a good fellow end up with a $700 disappointment.

If you have a bike that you like and fits you maybe a kit could be a good alternative. A decent and safest battery will cost $500 but will last for 5-6 years if managed. @harryS @PedalUma are incredibly good sources for kit builders. They forgot more than many here know about kit builds.

Where do you live?

All the best!

Tom
Was stated in my post and on my profile!

But yeah no I understand the risks, it's why I'm asking and looking and researching rn. I've made no commits yet, I do have money in savings, but I will not touch a cent of it because I need it for next year when I get an apartment. I'm watching videos, taking notes, reading forum after forum. I'm being very careful so don't worry about me!
I did realize that was a choice I could make, converting a bike, which I may have a bike suitable for it already, I just need to take it into a bike shop and get estimates, see if they have kits, etc. Lots to do! I will not get one until the middle of the May at the very least, I'd probably wait till June before making a final discissions if I'm being entirely honest, since I learned a lot from this forum and I've only been on it for a two days! I think I need a few weeks with this forum to really get informed with this. This is much more of an investment then I realized, specially with the comments pointing me towards what to look for, watch out for, etc. But I'm glad I'm a information seeker since I never would have figured these things out otherwise.
 
Do you have a bike now?

I do have two worn bikes, I was actually just planning to pull them out of the garage this morning! One of them is close to 40 years old, so I need to really test the frame and probably have a bike shop mechanic look at it if that's the one I have to use. The other one is maybe 5 years old? But I am not sure what it is made of, I am sure I can find that info on the bike though once I pull it out of the garage.

I'm not able to use them as they are since I need assistance pedaling.

Both will need new tires, but that's not much of a problem.

I do not have an electric bike though, incase that's what you meant. I won't make any decisions on that for another 2 weeks at the very least.
 
I asked because IF you had a bike you liked and are really comfortable on a kit might be a great option. I did poke around the web pages for eBike shops in your area. I didn't see where any of them did kit builds.

There are a number of very talented and experienced kit builders here. Pictures and brand names and models of your bike would help us make suggestions. And evaluate the bikes as candidates for being kitted.
 
I am currently converting a $120 bike. It is the second one for the same guy. His wife is crazy for the first. It is so much easier to start with a good bike that a sow's ear. Hey, but I am not the customer. His wife had a clunky Himiway and could not stand it. She likes her old lightweight Giant step through.
 
I asked because IF you had a bike you liked and are really comfortable on a kit might be a great option. I did poke around the web pages for eBike shops in your area. I didn't see where any of them did kit builds.

There are a number of very talented and experienced kit builders here. Pictures and brand names and models of your bike would help us make suggestions. And evaluate the bikes as candidates for being kitted.

I added(editied) picture and what I know of the bikes to the top post.

Also I know they don't do kit builds, but I DO need to them check integrity of the bikes, they have been rotting in a garage for over 10 years. They do free estimates. Plus I have to stop by to get gear anyways so.
 
I added(editied) picture and what I know of the bikes to the top post.
Looking at the three bikes, I'd probably suggest going with one of the rigid fork bikes as a candidate for a budget front hub motor conversion, perhaps along the lines of this post on Endless Sphere using one of the Bafang motors recovered from Uber's Jump bikeshare bikes, although from the thread it looks like the one's built into a 26" wheel are gone and so you would get just the motor you would need to build into a wheel. This seller, although he appears to be out of stock for the motor wheel, if you scroll down the page you will see a list of electrical components you could buy to wire it up. The thread mentioned you would need a wiring harness with a 9-pin Bafang connector to hook up the motor, so the seller listed an adapter cable that should work. Following these prices you would be looking at about $160 plus shipping for the motor, controller, wiring, and a small 7 or 8ah 36v battery pack. Add the price of a suitable rim and spokes. If like me you don't know how to build a wheel I'd suggest asking around your local bike shops if there is a wheel builder who would be happy to lace it into a rim for you. I've used my LBS to do this for the drum brake and Enviolo hubs I have on my bike, I think he charges me $95 to build a wheel, plus the cost of parts. If you wanted to go further than about 15 miles you could put the money you saved towards a larger battery pack.
 
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Why an ebike? At your price range, you'd be much better off focusing on a good analog bike, new or used, and worrying about adding power later.
There are few good parts that you can buy for a conversion within your budget, especially ones that will last two or more years...especially if you can't do the work yourself and need to pay someone, say to build the rear wheel with the hub motor.
 
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