Badass Box
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they wouldn't. At least not from what I understand about the Badass Box. But you should of course remove it before you bring the bike for service.Slow Rider
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Hi Mark, for 2019 models I believe Giant could easily see that you are using a Badass Box if they want to. I don't know for certain, but it sounds like a history of the last few rides are stored in the bike. If so, Giant could easily download some diagnostics from the bike and see from looking at one ride that your speed and cadence are cut in half every time you get up to around 14mph.
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Any evidence to support this claim? ... I have used a Badass Box for years and never had an issue.
Slow Rider
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Any evidence to support this claim? ... I have used a Badass Box for years and never had an issue.
Here's another member's report from talking with their dealer:
Tuning and Warranty Giant
Hi All i just purchased Fathom E+ 2 Pro which has the One controller. seeing all issues people are mentioning, majority seem to be related to controller/moisture. i would like to remove speed limit. cant decide if i should go with speedbox or badassbox. what i am cautious off is the warranty...
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Here's another member's report from talking with their dealer:
Tuning and Warranty Giant
Hi All i just purchased Fathom E+ 2 Pro which has the One controller. seeing all issues people are mentioning, majority seem to be related to controller/moisture. i would like to remove speed limit. cant decide if i should go with speedbox or badassbox. what i am cautious off is the warranty...
Nothing in this thread support the claim...
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Slow Rider
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PDoz wrote "For any electrical warranty claim, giant expects the bike shop to plug in their computer and send a printout of the usage / readings. My dealer claimed this is to ensure the bike hasn't been derestricted," which implies that the bike can store diagnostic information that could include trips, mph, cadence, battery usage, power levels, power output, etc... You can choose not to believe PDoz, but as far as Mark02380's question, it seems like Giant could be able to tell if you have been using a BadAss if they want to.
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Proof and being able to tell are two very different things. Speed data is not as flat as you think and just because you never go above a certain speed limit(or seemingly halving speed) it is not proof. The same behavior is repeateable in real life without any modification. Long story short, the only sure way these companies detecting such a device is if they place a gps inside(even in this case there is a legal side to this issue).
Back to the question I am also interested if there is a case that they have actually detected and refused warranty because someone was using badassbox?
A side note: I am not advocating for use of these devices in places where it is illegal to ride a bicycle with higher speed cut off.
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You are right about the question: have warranty claims ever been denied because Giant determined that a speed delimiter had been used? I've never seen any reports of it on this board.
There are so many data points Giant could track to easily find out if a badassbox has been used. You're right, speed on it's own not being enough information, but if you looked at a report and saw that the speed always dropped from 18 to 9, while at the same time power output did not also drastically change, and also taking cadence into consideration, it would be pretty obvious that a delimiter was being used. Random events like this could occur, but it would be very simple for Giant to write an algorhythm that analyzes the bike's data and identifies every time this anomaly occurred and the exact conditions. If they could/would use it as evidence to void the warranty is the million dollar q...
There are so many data points Giant could track to easily find out if a badassbox has been used. You're right, speed on it's own not being enough information, but if you looked at a report and saw that the speed always dropped from 18 to 9, while at the same time power output did not also drastically change, and also taking cadence into consideration, it would be pretty obvious that a delimiter was being used. Random events like this could occur, but it would be very simple for Giant to write an algorhythm that analyzes the bike's data and identifies every time this anomaly occurred and the exact conditions. If they could/would use it as evidence to void the warranty is the million dollar q...
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I agree. I have not read a post on EBR that confirms the denial of warranty service... perhaps someone will in the future.
One example is if you are climbing a hill on a different cog you can have the same cadence/ power output and the rest of the motor parameters at half the speed of when you are riding on flats. Also if you are not a competitive cyclist you are probably not very consistent on the cadence and power anyways so if you have a steep climb on your commute this actually can happen regularly. Also I wouldn't call an algorithm that finds this behaviour very simple but it is doable. Well I am sure there are people who are actually working on Data and say more but for now I think we had enough of a discussion on the detection side.
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