604 surface Colt e-bike loss of battery climbing hill

Bike has been super..till today. Had 30 percent battery showing on speedo. Started to climb moderate hill on way home which I've done a few times before...bike new March this year. Suddenly speedo began flashing what I assume battery empty sign. Shut unit down, rebooted, worked for a bit on lowest mode than quit 3 or 4 more times. Had to walk home.
Needless to say...am concerned and ticked off. Bafang. Controller. Is this common? Was going up hill in 2nd gear, with mode on 3 of 5 . Have done this many times before..no problems.
 
Just in general all batteries work like this, they have a low voltage cutoff. Normally around 42vdc, if you have a volt reading you can watch the volts and stay above to keep it from cutting out. Going up hill you are under load.
 
Thanks. Don't have meter for voltage. Big question...why now? Have gone up hill a few times in past with battery guage less than half. No problem.
 
I think Grin has new assist modes that automatically cut assist levels when the battery gets in that 20-30% low range to help prevent this kind of even. It makes sense because going up a hill can drop the voltage significantly.
 
All this inferior brands have issues like this.
Get a hi quality ebike.

A battery on a good ebike will never cut off assist unless it goes to 2% or 5% for some brands and then it keeps the bike lights on only.
Ask around people with a Haibike, Bulls, Stromer, Specialized, Magnum, BH , Yamaha, etc...and they will tell you same thing.
 
The surface product has shown that when you get to about half battery capacity or lower, it can cut out if you are in a level above 2, or in a situation that is drawing too many amps for the particular voltage being measured at that time, such as on a hill and depending upon the gear you are in, your rider weight, and what is being demanded of the motor in terms of assist. It appears to be a built in 'protection' of some sort. A high amp draw, will lower voltage on an instantaneous basis on every ebike, so its likely being done to protect the battery cells. You can call Gordon Lai or John Dem at S604, and see what their explanation is.
 
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Thanks...invaluable info. Much appreciated. I guess if I’m going home up the hill, I must stay in lowest mode
Too bad was never told that, if battery is being depleted, cool it in terms of demand. Thanks all!
 
How big are you and how hard were you pushing it. Could be a motor or controller over temperature situation.
 
All this inferior brands have issues like this.
Get a hi quality ebike.
I’m sorry but that just simply is, well, an oversimplification. ALL batteries are subject to sag. Usually not that soon, but there are numerous factors at work. Gearing, temperature, actual remaining voltage, and more. I find so many users that really push their rides on hills, insisting on maximum speed. These aren’t motorcycles, nor are most of us running 20Ah and larger packs. Adding a voltmeter can be very revealing. I can feather my throttle watching the watts used and control efficiency. Another factor.
 
The surface product has shown that when you get to about half battery capacity or lower, it can cut out if you are in a level above 2, or in a situation that is drawing too many amps for the particular voltage being measured at that time, such as on a hill and depending upon the gear you are in, your rider weight, and what is being demanded of the motor in terms of assist. It appears to be a built in 'protection' of some sort. A high amp draw, will lower voltage on an instantaneous basis on every ebike, so its likely being done to protect the battery cells. You can call Gordon Lai or John Dem at S604, and see what their explanation is.

Yes! Thank you!
 
Wow, super impressed at responses, I think you’re right...once battery begins to show lesser amounts of power remaining... must stay in lower power modes and lower gears. Thanks everyone.
 
Bike has been super..till today. Had 30 percent battery showing on speedo. Started to climb moderate hill on way home which I've done a few times before...bike new March this year. Suddenly speedo began flashing what I assume battery empty sign. Shut unit down, rebooted, worked for a bit on lowest mode than quit 3 or 4 more times. Had to walk home.
Needless to say...am concerned and ticked off. Bafang. Controller. Is this common? Was going up hill in 2nd gear, with mode on 3 of 5 . Have done this many times before..no problems.
Surface recommends lowering assist level to 1 or 2, when battery indicator shows capacity getting low. With torque sensing you can get more fluctuation in voltage, as capacity drops, since it's responding to foot pressure (rider effort) rather than cadence. The fluctuation may be causing the trigger on low voltage. Staying at a lower speed, which decreases wind resistance, and not demanding as much assist, will help you get more range out of it when you get to the capacity level or voltage level being measured becomes an issue. It's in part the idiosyncrasies of not only how they are measuring voltage (and what can be accomplished at this price point which is unusual to see a torque sensor) and how they are accomplishing the torque sensing in general. It's my understanding Modifications to how they are measuring torque will be made for product sold after August. For mid drives which are generally more sophisticated (and higher priced), they using multiple forms of sensing, and different ways to accomplish torque sensing, so it's not a simple matter of saying the method used by Surface or others on hub drives is 'inferior' or that you need to buy a high priced bike to get a better outcome. Surface will also be helping itself by finally offering a larger battery capacity at 14 Ah, versus the current only available size (up to now), of 10 Ah. They may be able to change how they measure voltage as well, but not sure that is necessary with the other product improvements. It's a learning curve for all of these ebike Oems, especially ones like Surface or Juiced who push hard to give more features, and better performance, at lower price points than the competition. Ebikes have come a LONG way, from even a few years ago, and the improvements in a lot of cases are light years of what they were 10 years ago, or before we even had access to lithium batteries at affordable prices. You become more accepting and appreciative the more models and designs you get exposed to, and especially when a lot of brands keep offering really expensive models, while a handful of these brands are working in the lower price ranges, yet still pushing the technology envelope to give more to the customer. My two cents anyway. The tariffs have made this even tougher to accomplish. Its deepened my respect for these firms like Surface, Juiced, Blix, Ariel, and now more recently Aventon to name a few.
 
Surface recommends lowering assist level to 1 or 2, when battery indicator shows capacity getting low. With torque sensing you can get more fluctuation in voltage, as capacity drops, since it's responding to foot pressure (rider effort) rather than cadence. The fluctuation may be causing the trigger on low voltage. Staying at a lower speed, which decreases wind resistance, and not demanding as much assist, will help you get more range out of it when you get to the capacity level or voltage level being measured becomes an issue. It's in part the idiosyncrasies of not only how they are measuring voltage (and what can be accomplished at this price point which is unusual to see a torque sensor) and how they are accomplishing the torque sensing in general. It's my understanding Modifications to how they are measuring torque will be made for product sold after August. For mid drives which are generally more sophisticated (and higher priced), they using multiple forms of sensing, and different ways to accomplish torque sensing, so it's not a simple matter of saying the method used by Surface or others on hub drives is 'inferior' or that you need to buy a high priced bike to get a better outcome. Surface will also be helping itself by finally offering a larger battery capacity at 14 Ah, versus the current only available size (up to now), of 10 Ah. They may be able to change how they measure voltage as well, but not sure that is necessary with the other product improvements. It's a learning curve for all of these ebike Oems, especially ones like Surface or Juiced who push hard to give more features, and better performance, at lower price points than the competition. Ebikes have come a LONG way, from even a few years ago, and the improvements in a lot of cases are light years of what they were 10 years ago, or before we even had access to lithium batteries at affordable prices. You become more accepting and appreciative the more models and designs you get exposed to, and especially when a lot of brands keep offering really expensive models, while a handful of these brands are working in the lower price ranges, yet still pushing the technology envelope to give more to the customer. My two cents anyway. The tariffs have made this even tougher to accomplish. Its deepened my respect for these firms like Surface, Juiced, Blix, Ariel, and now more recently Aventon to name a few.
3 weeks since episode, no problems. Obviously must watch storage before attempting hill climb. Cheers
 
IMNSHO riders are buying eBIKES and riding them like they're on a 50cc moped. Lacking any understanding of an ebikes capabilities. Pedal ASSIST riding a BICYCLE with a variable transmission, not a one-speed moped/Vespa/scooter.
 
To me ebikes are great. I’m 73, but quite active. Live on a hill which means a long haul going home on a conventional bike....not riding as much as a result. Bought ebike, ride more often, way more enjoyment especially knowing the hill on way home is no longer a pain. Still learning about capabilities, sometimes have to have problems until one understands the limits and successes the bike is capable of.
Have to say in all honesty....love it!
 
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