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I believe the torque gains are all made in software, that is the motor is essentially the same motor but with better thermal management, allowing the motor to be run "harder".

Canyon has FINALLY updated their website which now claims the motor DOES provide 65 nm of torque. This is not what their rep told me via phone, and not what they followed up with via email. The rep knew alot about the history of how this bike has been outfitted for both the US and other...

Clear as mud.

Canyons last report to me via email was 50 nm. And 50 nm is what’s STILL on Canyons website. That was the whole point of the question. So whatever…as I said due to this ambiguity I struck the bike from my list altogether. If it’s 65 then fine. That’s why I was curious Trevor about getting...

Thanks. What’s the torque rating on the motor on this bike?

So my Vado 4.0 SL went for a 30 mile ride again yesterday and about 12 miles in, the power AGAIN started just cutting off, like the whole bike would shut itself off. It was doing this before, went in for service, presumably was fixed (NOT). It would power back up for 3-5 minutes and shut off...

I haven't really heard much talk about enviolo being less reliable than the other hubs some of which employ actual internal gearing. The enviolo is being used in large deployments of rental bikes in numerous places I believe. That is a big bet in favor of the durability of the product. Most...

So Specialized Atlanta (company owned stored/experience center) told me that it seems my bike which was dead after a ride (prevous post above) kind of resurrected itself without much intervention. No battery replacement was necessary. The two items that were suspect for it failing to power up...

These were also hard decisions for me. There is no real “best” decision because they all involve trade offs. I was fascinated with the advantages and tech of the belt drive enviolo automatiq but I ultimately decided the “feel” of the ride on the heavier bikes kind of killed the nimble “feel”...

This is I think the main question people have had and is hard to really get my head around. These factors would seem to all be functions of each other(?) In the case of the enviolo automatiq, the bike presumably does its best to keep cadence at a static pace set by the user, and the hub...

My understanding is that the cadence setting in mission control essentially overrides the settings made possible via bluetooth and the enviolo app. Which means you have (I think) only the five or so ambiguously named cadence settings in mission control (slowest....slow...normal etc). I think...

Well I've had my Vado SL for about a week now and I was out on the silver comet trail yesterday, had ridden about 15 miles, and suddenly lost power and the display went blank. Tried turning it back on, which worked for about 5 seconds then it turned itself off again. That happenned about 3...

Asher I think if I were still considering the bike that would be one option but Bosch is a big company so getting someone who is willing to give an answer about whatever happened at Canyon with this bike is potentially difficult. I think the main thing that drew me to consider it was its a...

I have not asked Bosch for clarification.

So if a motor is said to provide up to 75 nm of torque, if it can provide only 50 nm of torque and no more, is does not "provide up to 75 nm of torque," rather it provides up to 50 nm of torque. See how that works?

After another week of looking at and riding other options and considering one or two direct to consumer manufacturers, it was clear to me that the SL was pretty much the best option for me just because it felt like "my idea" of a real bike whereas all the heavier bikes felt really kind of...

So a guy who manages a specialized lbs told me that the new Vado SL with the 1.2 motor is in production but he also said the model wouldn't be released until they sell down the stock of the old model. No new information there really, except that apparently the new bikes are in the process of...

Yeah I thought there were a few other characteristics that were different between the Performance Line and Active Line motors other than torque. But Canyon did say they "reprogrammed" the motors so that they're 28mph capable whereas before they were not as Active Line motors (just their words...

So, follow-up: Received a follow-up email today from the service consultant at Canyon. Very prompt. The motor on the bike has 50 nm of torque. So its not a Bosch Performance Line Sport motor. The email didn't address the fact that they misrepresent the motor as a Performance Line Sport...

Stefan there is a reputable local shop that does warranty service on Canyon. I'm just trying to determine what's on the actual f*cking bike because they seem to have misrepresented the motor that's on the bike. That -- to me -- is a very big deal. What else have they misrepresented? I find...