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This needs to be sorted, they are all passing the book! Mahle Ebikemotion only sell to the manufacturer (Orbea). Orbea only sell to Orbea dealers and then the headaches start. This needs to be covered by a major cycling magazine! It’s a joke that you can’t buy parts to maintain your bike and for...

Nice 👍 If you require another hub you need to go via an Orbea dealership. I was quoted £480 GBP for one. I wanted to use a new hub but at the time quote was £800-£900!! I have Sapim CX-Ray on the front wheel and CX-Sprint on rear wheel. Both aero spokes but the latter stronger.

I find the Mahle Ebikemotion not to be fast vs regular road bike on flat or slight inclines. It performs best on steep climbs, where it will leave most cyclists except pros.

The DI2 Scott addict in Uk is $8800 US in the Uk vs $7000 for the Ribble. I assume it’s cheaper in US which doesn’t surprise me!

The flagship Ribble is 23 lbs but at almost $10,000 US it’s more than I wanted to spend https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/ribble-endurance-sl-e-hero/

I changed the stock wheels on my Orbea Gain and even that made a difference 1 lb of rotational weight

I have a bike in mind as the Ebikemotion option as it’s only 11.5kg and has everything on it I’d ever need, electronic shifting, hydraulic disc brakes and decent carbon wheels for £5k. I cannot find similar spec with a Fazua system. https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/ribble-endurance-sl-e-pro/ This...

Massive con Ebikemotion the cartridge bearings are pressed into the motor, so even a simple bearing change involves a new motor and wheel rebuild

Good point. How difficult is it to replace the latch ?

I shall bear that in mind and trial a mid drive with torque sensor before my next purchase

Fazua max power output 400w Ebikemotion max power output 250w

Fazua Pros Removable drive system bike 13 to 10kg 60 mm torque output Replacing drive system in 2 clicks Wheels are normal Fazua Cons Heavier bike weight 13-14 kg Uglier down tube Any other pros or cons to add?

Ebikemotion Pros: Aesthetically looks like normal road bike Lighter weight 10.5-11 kg Ebikemotion Cons: Only 40 mm torque output Bespoke rear wheel with hub Battery and Hub not user serviceable Hub change requires wheel rebuild

The limit is 15mph in the UK but I cycle at higher than that on flat, slight inclines and downhill. For me the motor is there to help me climb hills where climbing at 10-15mph is good.

I like the idea of losing 2.9kg on the Fazua system by removing the drive system (battery and motor) and replacing it with a blank cover.

Torque sensor is a good idea but not sure if it’s a game changer? Not sure why I should consider that? Ebikemotion bikes are lighter and look more like normal road bikes, but certainly have issues in that battery is fixed and not removable. Also hub motor on wheel makes wheels non standard.

I believe the Creo also uses the Fazua system? Creo is extremely expensive also.

As the owner of an Ebikemotion bike and looking to replace it in the near future for another road Ebike, I would like to know the pros and cons of each before deciding which would be better. What are your pros and cons for either system?

Also worth noting that as of August 2020 Mahle improved the motor to the x35+ system. So if you are looking at a new ebikemotion bike make sure it’s an X35+ motor https://urbanbike.news/en/evolution-of-the-successful-ebikemotion-drive-mahle-x35/