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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    Hello Jangles I was just curious who are you addressing in this message , I didn't read what anybody disputed whether or not a mid Drive was more powerful than a hub Drive
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    Thomas, I am with you I agree there needs to be some regulation around safety. Matter of fact safety is my central point.... i think ebikes are in their infancy here in the states I would imagine the next 5 years we're going to see 3 to 5 million units per year being sold, when you get to that...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    No worries been there!!! I am an admitted advocate for the local US business men and just dont think is OK for the manufacturer not to do their part pushing off service AND liability to the local bike shop and ultimately to the consumer just is not okay for me. Especially as this industry is...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    Hello, Jangles the question was IS BTN'S lack of product liability insurance AN indication of poor quality? The TWO posts on here (One by a shop owner one by you) talk about quality and warranty repairs issues, you mention that your bike has a controller issue, Bill mentioned all sorts of issues...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    Thanks for the feedback, you might have to read past the 1st page to get the spirt of the conversation. It was less about cost vs value rather the conversation was about if my local bike shops concerns about carrying btn's products because they didn't provide product liability for the bikes that...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    Went to pick up my new bike LBS owner shared that his INS broker tells him aside from the cost of the policy the main reason the companies are not getting policies is because they CAN"T. The bikes do not pass UL certification most notably the batteries can't pass.....OVER 80% of the no-name...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    I shared this article with the LBS I was talking about and he confirmed this the exact reason he would not carry BTN's products. While at the shop he looked at the 1000 watt bike that they are selling and he agreed with Bills comment and it yet was another reason he would not carry their...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    Expensive nanny, I dont understand?
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    That's how I read that article is well whoever imports the bike is liable, but if that entity is not US based and is selling uninsured products liability is solely on the shop that sold it. The initial question was whether the bike shop who said he did not want to carry BTN because their lack...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    That is crazy!! So I have moved on from considering a BTN product. Are LBS just unaware of the risk they are solely taking on by reselling products imported by foreign entities who do not have liability insurance or just rolling the dice and protecting themselves via setting up an LLC and...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    Wow Chris great information!!! So if the manufacturer who is importing the bike is a CN based entity (No US business entity) and does NOT have liability insurance (as this LBS states is the case with BTN) and is selling to an LBS who sells to the consumer is the LBS on the hook if there is a...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    I"guess" BUT in one video the reviewer is saying generic CN Batteries are no good, buying from CN based companies can leave you with an unsupported product, issues with replacement parts then in the paid review no mention of these shortcomings, a bit confusing.
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    The video that Mikey put together while at blue monkey talks about cheap generic Chinese batteries when I look at his review of the BTN bikes they're using generic Chinese batteries, but it is NOT mentioned in the video? Thanks forum I totally dodged a bullet, I think I'll go with a company who...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    Wholey smokes, that is crazy the two videos totally contradict one another. I totally understand why the local bike shop would not want to carry BTN product because they don't have product liability insurance, at least FLX had officers in the company who lived here. It sounds like they totally...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    I agree any reputable manufacturer should have all warranty parts of their bikes stocked in the US if they're selling bikes in the US, that's another issue I have with some of the reviews where they talk about manufacturers shipping warranty parts from China
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    This was my exact point/question "is the fact the BTN does not cover their product with liability insurance a legitimate reason for my dealer not selling their product and should a manufacturer deciding NOT to carry liability insurance be a disqualifying factor when selecting an e-bike? I...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    I would be delighted if you can actually do this. Just because someone says a product carries liability insurance, doesn't mean anything. Can they show the papers? the actual document that has this in writing. I am certain you will find it hard to get this actual document. In this case, the...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    Ravi, I guess I'm a little confused on what you're saying, is it your contention that manufacturers don't need to have product liability insurance, and that a local bike shop should be able to sell their product and not worry about the consequences of the manufacturer not having this insurance...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    Ebikemom I totally agree and I'm one of those consumers, I didn't want to spend an arm and a leg and I saw that bike on THIS forum which led me to believe at minimum the company would be doing business in a reputable manner. Seeing a bike reviewed on this forum gave me the peace of mind that...
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    Are my LBS BTN concerns valid?

    Thanks Harry, that was the concern of the LBS around carrying BTN and other companies who do not have Product Liability Insurance. He told me that getting insurance to cover a bike made by a company who is not set up as a US entity AND does not have product liability insurance is difficult and...
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