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  1. mschwett

    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    here’s a thought - since efficiency varies from 75 to 90 over the full cadence range, and the data is we’re gathering is electrical power, perhaps specialized has accounted for this and the boost factor decreases between 60 and 100 rpm to compensate. same rider power at 55rpm and then 95 rpm...
  2. mschwett

    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    since we can only easily measure electrical power, you can basically disregard efficiency. the only effect of the change in efficiency will be that the test takes a little longer or shorter than it should on paper. not meaningful IMO. also not sure why you wouldn't have max at 100, as with...
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    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    by comparison and for giggles.... this is the hill we live on - behind the tallest building on the left; our views are all in the other direction lol. it doesn't look as steep here as it does in reality. the last two blocks are 27.6% and 25.3%. i've never ridden a two wheeled vehicle of any...
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    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    i think three minutes of data would be enough per run, so if we assume the last run is 120 human watts and 240 motor watts, total weight is 225lb, you actually only need a 150' hill (about 7/10 of a mile at 4%) which you ought to be going around 14mph on! i would bet dollars to donuts that the...
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    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    yes - it averages 3.6 times the other speed value which is kph. before my latest health troubles i could maintain 200w for a very long time (4+ hours) if appropriately fueled! not anymore lol.
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    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    i'd find a hill of around 5%, ideally at least 300' of climb, no stops, keep cadence around 80, heart rate at a steady sustainable value for rider watts in the 100-150 range, do it once at 20/100, once at 40/100, 60/100, 80/100, and 100/100. you won't be in danger of hitting 28mph (heh) and the...
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    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    it's interesting that the .fit file contains headers for almost every cycling parameter you could imagine, including "ebike_assist_mode" and "ebike_assist_level_percent" ! unfortunately it doesn't look like specialized is using them. i don't think these were added by specialized since there are...
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    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    The free gotoes website i posted above is super easy, drop the fit file and get a csv back, ready for excel. i have many thousands of miles of rides on the ride website, but unfortunately (hah) most of it is with the motor off and when it’s on, i don’t think I’d have any way to recreate what...
  9. mschwett

    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    i haven’t tried exporting a .fit file from the ride app, but the ones made by the website have all the data you need in them! click on the ride, click the three dots at the top left i think? the chart can also display whatever combo of data you want, at a decent scale, unlike the phone app!
  10. mschwett

    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    in terms of moving the bike forward, yes! but remember that the system measures the torque at the crank, or rather in the motor, and combines that with the reading from the cadence sensor to determine power. we don't really know what specialized's algorithms are responding to, and whether they...
  11. mschwett

    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    the options referenced are on the web version, not the app : https://ride.specialized.com/en/ you already have an account if you're using the app, i assume. i don't have the creo any more but when i login i see what appears to be every ride i recorded with mission control.
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    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    i used this one in the past, other related tools on the same site are useful as well. it makes a csv with lots of interesting columns that you can look at, including rider and motor power. https://gotoes.org/tools/fit-to-csv the graphs on the specialized rider hub are also detailed enough for...
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    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    not so sure about that except at a steady state. agreed of course that power is power, and the SL 1.1 can output 250w mech power from 60 to 100rpm. but at 60rpm you have 35nm of torque, and at 100rpm you have 21. big difference. does the controller respond to a change in cadence (which...
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    Roval Terra CLX Boost spacing wheels for Creo 1 for sale

    great wheels for the creo 1! loved them on mine.
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    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    that isn’t quite as easy to verify as it sounds, since at a given cadence, speed, drag, and slope, there is only one possible amount of rider power Pr for a constant E. at the same cadence, on level ground, you could ride in several different gears to achieve different speeds with different Pr...
  16. mschwett

    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    it’s been a while. everything but motor power is in the data file you get from mission control (or whatever it’s called now lol) that can be parsed with anything that reads XML, which is basically anything. i probably used excel. there are also lots of free converters for FIT files and the other...
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    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    here’s the one that’s most handy, it’s actually closer than i thought ! i should find the xls. the gold is the ratio between rider power and motor power, at four different assist levels with max set to 100% to avoid hitting the limiter, so to speak. at the time we believed that it was always...
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    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    I went back and read this https://support.specialized.com/kb/sp_en-us/content/ECV3-6142/03-Turbo-Vado-SL-2-Turbo-SL-System which has lots of cool info. it’s clear that the previously described assist ratio (the 2x you etc) was either an approximation of a range of values… or they changed how it...
  19. mschwett

    Carrying photography gear on a ride

    what am i seeing in this photo? it’s really a great shot, color, detail, composition and so on but i can’t for the life of me figure out what it is!!! scale of the water spray suggests its small, but it looks like … ice or snow?
  20. mschwett

    Turbo Vado 2 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0?

    i probably would too... if i looked at motor power much during the ride! in part to harmonize the experience between bikes i don't look at motor power much any more. cadence, rider power, pedal balance, heart rate, speed, ride time, that's really all i want and need. i have the displays set up...
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