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I have that one my BMW F800ST motorcycle and it works great but makes no sense on a mid drive bicycle that needs gears. They are used on hub drive e'bicycles though and single speed non e'bicycles to great effect.

My "guess" is that a "new" SL would be a carbon version at higher cost but with nearly identical running gear and identical motor.

Love mine; had it less than a month. Found the exact same thing. This bike is easier to pedal without assist than my MTB with hybrid tires. I wanted a bicycle first and assist second.

Love my SL 5.0, bummed that the motor can start to fail under 2000 mile so will be monitoring carefully. The SL is perfect for my needs and easier to pedal without assistance than the Kona Nunu with hybrid tires I've been using the last few years for exercise. Now at age 66 hills are on the...

This should be labeled "the problem with heavy e'bikes" as my 33lb Turbo Vado SL non EQ is easier to pedal with no assist than my similar weight non e'bike. I get a better workout on the e'bike at age 66 as I now tackle hills, which still take effort but I can crest them near my house...

Ah, ok, I thought there might be a more technical reason or some design flaw you were trying to correct.

IDK, the derailleur works perfectly on my bike, why are you "upgrading"? I am thinking of swapping out the pedals for metal ones so I can add toe clips.

It was a revelation to me though a well known fact on this forum. I'm guessing the only improvement to the bike in the next year or two will be a carbon version which is certainly not something I'd trade in this bike for. The "invisible" Futureshock is something I wanted and for me it works...

Just bought a Turbo Vado 5.0 SL non EQ. VERY addictive unlike my "normal" pedal bike. I know you all know all this but I had no idea as I "assumed" buying an e'bike was a resignation to a less active riding life at age 66. Of course I was wrong. I can get up a steep series of nearby hills...

that I will actually be getting MORE exercise on the e'bike than on my other bikes. Not something I expected at all but hills here in Sonoma County, CA that once just taunted me, (ie. any hill whatsoever), are now attainable as are longer distances/sights. Zero range anxiety as at 33lbs it is...