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Others were saying the biktrix had other programming that was better than most so I think they must change it. Was also worried that the motors may be switched over to that can bus which prevents programming by the user.

Anyone here with a frey ex could comment on the programming for the bike? I have read about the pas being unstable and some other issues. Also looking at the biktrix juggernaut but tempted by the 28ah of battery this has compared to 21ah with the two batteries.

I will get the unlimited version but didn't know if it had multiple modes. I'm tempted by the bit more battery power of the Frey but worried about the programming issues with pas.

When you set this bike to the 20mph mode does that limit the wattage to 750w or still 1000w with earlier cutoff? I like to do rides with low level assist for more range and exercise and the 750w limit would help with that. But fine either way

Yeah I think the places I have read about it being loud are exaggerating the sound, and I also know that the camera recordings amplify the sound a bit. Do you know if the ultra's coming out now can still be programmed or are they using the can bus? It sounds like they have good programming so I...

It looks like that Frey weighs close to 80lb also with both batteries while the jugg is around 73lb. So that should be a noticable weight difference. Pretty sure I want the jugg with the wren fork and 4 piston brakes. Hopefully it will be coming in stock later this month or next, would be...

So the Ultra Pro would have more range with 52v even though its 17.5 ah vs 21ah? Also is that coil suspension as good as a air? I don't know a whole lot about the coil vs air.

I think i'm probably going to get the jugg due to the better programming and I might be able to get one before winter. Also I read on another forum several people had their Frey frames snap at the rear triangle last year. That is kinda worrying.

Yeah I was thinking I could get the upgraded suspension for the jugg to make it more on par with the Frey. But those 4 piston brakes on the Frey would be nice for a motor as powerful as these. I won't be doing any big jumps or crazy things as I would just need more stitches lol. My understanding...

I'm currently trying to decide between the juggernaut fs ultra 21ah with 3'' tires and the Frey EX Advanced or pro. It looks like the Frey has better suspension/brakes by default but comes from China so probably a longer wait. I did see some information the motor programming was better on the...

It seems like a lot of these bikes will have me waiting 6 months lol so I might.

So I think i'm going to go with a bike with the bafang ultra as I think the sound won't be too much. Right now i'm looking at either getting the Frey-EX Pro or the Biktrix Juggernaut Ultra FS. The Pro version of the Frey looks like it has much better suspension/brakes and with the dual batteries...

Has anyone ridden the RadRover and could compare the sound to the m600 motors? I have a radrover right now and that level of sound is fine for me. So that would really help gauge how loud it will be. As the sound in videos is not very reliable for how it will sound in person.

I think the luna can come with the peek gear which should help the noise be lower but i'm still looking at other bikes and might raise my price range to closer to 5k. Since it seems it will need to spend that much. Found the Besv TRB1 AM and am looking into that but it does only have 3 assist...

I think I may want to get the Luna x-1 rather than the sondors as its not hugely more expensive and has more information about it available. I think the luna also has more quiet motor which I would really like. I wish it had a larger battery though but there has to be a compromise somewhere.

Thanks for the feedback, I'm not sure if the Sondors will allow reprogramming either as I don't see that confirmed anywhere. But I have heard they are one of the more mod-friendly brands so I think it would probably work. It looks like to get something a bit lighter with a weaker motor is just...

Thanks for the suggestion that one might be an option if I can find it somewhere. I wish they wouldn't put such high end non-electric parts on every bike as that can just be upgraded later and it drives the price way up.

Hello everybody, I have been looking for a full suspension emtb with a mid drive motor that is not some 1000-1500w overpowered one. But it seems like to get an emtb with around a 350-500w mid drive with dual suspension seems to always be 5k+. Right now it seems the only more affordable option is...

Just first thing I have asked this question and others in the Rockstar thread in the Sondors forum but people there that have them seem to refuse to answer any qustions about it. Hello everyone, I have ordered the Sondors Rockstar with the Bafang Ultra motor and I had some questions about the...

For people who have this bike, is the pedal assist very granular? Like in the lower assist levels can you get a fair amount of resistance for exercise? I guess if its too much assistance I should be able to plug into a computer and tone it down?