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OK, which bike ?

Just what I thought, you haven't ridden one. Ride first and then opine.

Ha! That's reaching a bit. Which Ultra powered bike did you ride ? And which motor puts out torque like the Ultra ?

Really, I've ridden both and no comparison . And I have zero brand loyalty.

The hate for Bafang is strong. On my fourth year without repairs.

Those are hub motors. Have you ridden an Ultra powered bike ? Buckets of torque compared to euroweenie motors

You said "lots of People were shocking themselves" . I didn't hear that. I have the Ultra which is quite different.

I've had them for a couple years and love them. Smooth and quiet.

Not the first time, right ?

Now really , has it been that bad? I've had a Biktrix for over three years and Roshan and company has given me great after sale service.

Sounds stolen to me.

6 hour commute ?

?? No, I was serious, thank you !

Thank you for the kind offer.

Led Zeppelin

You sir, are a badass.

So, we are going grade school now ?

I'm happy with the Ultra because I have a fat tire bike that inherently has more resistance and drag, therefore it needs the torque. I rode a Felt Outfitter with a Bosch and it simply didn't have enough for that heavy of a bike and it was $2000 more than my Biktrix. Otherwise there's lots of...

That would be like disconnecting the back four barrel on a dual quad setup.

That is so sad. They are freakin' bicycles ! We can discuss the different attributes but I don't think getting "fed up" is healthy. I'm on my fourth year on my Ultra powered fat bike and still enjoy it, but next spring , when I look for a bike for my wife, I might go with the big four because...