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Extremely disappointing, but not surprising given our current situation! It is easy for a big automaker to have a pet project that makes them look like they care about the environment, but when the bottom line starts to matter, and people might really consider transportation alternatives, they...

I'm down in Carver, welcome to the forums! I've been to Lenny's at least twice, it is worth the drive especially if you are new to ebikes - the selection is unmatched here, and you just aren't going to get anywhere near the prices they run. If you check their site now under the...

I think there have been some changes with regards to their US operations (seems several of the European brands are undergoing some trouble with the US market now that the major brands are fully into the ebike market).

Welcome from a fellow Minnesotan - we have plenty of great places to ride!

Agreed! And no doubt that, just like driving, when you are commuting you are likely to take more risks (and be exposed to high volumes of other traffic among other factors) to get to your destination on time (work) vs when driving or riding for leisure.

@neek crazy lenny's crisis prices page just updated yesterday afternoon - crisis prices page. If they still have the BH Evo 650b in stock for $1080 (plus I assume about $200 for shipping), you should end your search and pick it up. Beats every bike on your list with a great set of components...

100% the used Giant with a Yamaha motor over a Chinese no-name stamped bike every day of the week. Do you want a motor built by one of the biggest motor manufacturing companies in existence (and attached to an internationally known brand name bike), or one pumped out of some random factory that...

Really? It took just 2 days to go from 250 to 500 deaths/day in the US, another 4 to reach 1,000 a day, and yesterday (6 days later) we hit 2,000 people dead in the US - JUST YESTERDAY. In case you haven't noticed, the actions we take today don't have an impact for several weeks, meaning 2,000...

I totally agree, and it seems this bike misses the mark - I actually suspect the true business rationale to introducing this higher spec model is to drive sales of the other 2 bikes - makes them look like more of a deal if you are willing to 'sacrifice' some of the features on the highest price...

Tires look the same - they were already an exclusive size from Kenda (tread is the same and they look to be about 3"), differences seem to be suspension, display, maybe better lighting and an included rear seat, probably priced at $1,499 - that is about their sweet-spot for pricing generally.

I've been eyeing it for a few days...didn't realize there was a best offer button!

This is pretty much it - bikes as transportation is simply a foreign concept in the US - the vast space that many people's day-to-day living occupies simply doesn't translate to biking (think 5-10 mile drives to super center shopping, 20+ mile commutes) - in Europe people tend to live much more...

I'd also echo the idea of going to Lenny's 100% - a 90 minute drive?! You need some mid-west driving mentality here for perspective. I've been to Lenny's in Madison twice (and bought a total of 6 bikes from them at this point!)...that is a 3.5hr drive from Minneapolis! First time it was even a...

A couple other details I'd say lean towards the Haibike - tire choice, the maxxis minion dhf from what I recall are pretty highly regarded, nobby nics are just kinda standard issue 27.5+ tires. Also looking at the frame the haibike has several places where it appears to be extra reinforced -...

Wow, I know they used to have them but it appears you are correct, no S-pedelecs to be found on their current Euro bike page! When I glanced through their models I'd assumed those marked with 'S' or 'jet' might have been 28mph bikes, but that doesn't appear to be the case. They have definitely...

they do have one class 3 model in the us, the evo city nitro. lots more in their euro lineup, but i guess they don't see a market here for class 3 mtbs. I'm curious what would make you put down their hub motor bikes? i have one and have had zero issues, and never heard of any common or...

While Lenny's is a pretty big volume dealer, they are still really just a bike shop that happens to have picked up on a sales model that works outside of their local area selling online. The reason it is just best to call in is they can check their actual inventory, discuss which bike might...

I've been around here for a good 5 years or so - I would say the bikes out now that are in the 700wh range from the major brands - those started to hit market in the US around spring 2017 - 3 years on, and that is still more power than most need for 90% of their bike use. There are the niche...

Nice! Any plans to have the Shimano motor bleed into the other US models?

You can get drop posts that are wired to the top of the post (or the point at which the dropper action happens) on the outside of the frame if needed - it looks like you'll be able to thread the cable through the top tube, but I'm not sure if it can be wired up through inside the main frame to...