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@Deacon Blues Cube responded to a request I sent and said that the 45 is the bike that their “US dealers buy”.

@Stefan Mikes - I was just looking at the Cube offerings. They all appear to use the CX line, yes? Limited to 20mph.

@Alaskan is that because the previous generations have that 2x ratio and the oblong motor housing?

@Deacon Blues perfrormance line speed or performance CX? Eg 20 or 28 mph top speed?

Yep - can‘t believe I forgot the Bulls. I rode the Iconic TR1. They also have the new Urban Evo 10 with Gen 4 speed.

@fooferdoggie I’ve got side-tracked with work, and I can’t recall if we discussed whether your new Kiox display setup could transmit torque/power via ANT or BTLE. Can you remind me?

Does anyone know of a reliable list of bikes with the Gen 4 Bosch Performance Line Speed motor? I know that Trek has the Allant+ and Domane+ HP. Gazelle has Medeo and Ultimate T10+. Are the Cannondale bikes Gen 4 or previous gen?

Thanks @Alaskan and @Ravi Kempaiah. @Alaskan - I am actually buying for both fitness and commuting, and it is highly unlikely that the bike will end up being my only commute vehicle. That said, your points about reliability and service are well taken. I am quite mechanically inclined, but I do...

I have been trying to pick the perfect ebike for my ~40 mile round-trip commuter. See Avid cyclist looking to reduce commute time I actually have a deposit down on a Bulls Urban Evo 10 with the Bosch Gen 4 mid-drive motor (available in ~1 month). Court's review of the pre-release version of this...

Thanks @Papadevo.

@Stiksandstones - can you comment a bit about how you use them?

Thanks @fooferdoggie - what ended up being the install issue? Hmm, no 3rd party app connectivity is an issue for me. I’m guessing Nyon will be similar. did you give any thought to waiting for Nyon?

@Lefkop - can you provide some more details on how you typically use your Domane HP?

Hi all - I have seen a few threads on Kiox vs Smartphone Hub (SPH), but none with a ton of detail. I understand the potential mount issues with SPH as well as potential glare from a smartphone screen. How about functionality? What are the main differences between Kiox and the Cobi(?) app used by...

@Johnny : “I don't know why you are constantly trying out the offerings with 1.1.” - I’m at the mercy of what is available, that’s why. I am also coming around on your perspective with regards to riding position. That is the primary reason for checking out this particular LBS - I knew they had...

@WattsUpDude - I was looking at the Grinder Evo and when my LBS mentioned that Urban Evo was getting an upgrade to Gen 4, I wondered if Grinder Evo might (it is not - or at least not soon). I have looked at so many bikes and so many options, that it is getting difficult to differentiate and...

Staring down the barrel of a $7k + tax purchase (Domane+ HP 7 vs Creo SL Comp Carbon), I decided that I owed it to myself to try a few more bikes. In this case, more typical “commuter” bikes. I had the chance to test ride: Bulls Iconic Evo TR1 Specialized Turbo Vado SL EQ (not sure which one)...

@drodg - let me know if you have any specific questions, and I can try to answer to the best of my recollection / impression.

@Johnny I road a Vado and Creo SL back-to-back and definitely preferred the position of the Creo. I hear what you are saying, but at 25mph, an upright position requires an additional 50 - 75W on a flat road. That‘s an extra 50 - 75Wh of battery required (per leg) for my commute. Add in a little...

Does anyone know if the Bosch Gen 4 motor transmits rider input power data (either via ANT+ or BTLE) like the Specialized SL 1.1 motor? What about total power? I rode a Trek Domane+ HP 7 yesterday, and it is clear that the Kiox controller has some power data, but it isn’t clear whether that can...