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Thanks but I understand now about the proprietary frames. I'm separately wondering if there's any means of using a torque sensor with the BBSHD mid drive (like you can use a torque sensor with the Bafang hub drives). I'm guessing you can't use the Sempu bottom bracket torque sensor simply...

@Thomas Jaszewski thanks for the input. Yeah I was talking about the 350w Max mid-drive, and apparently it doesn't even allow the Max Ultra (g510) to fit into the same spot. I'd be happy to go with a BBSHD mid-drive since it's a widely-tested and liked motor, but I'm pretty certain I want...

Thanks @Dewey for giving me some new leads. I would prefer a widely-used motor like Bafang, but I'll definitely check those out. @Timpo, I think I would love the g510 (Ultra_. Unfortunately, my budget is $2k max incl shipping, and I can't find an even remotely affordable full-suspension bike...

@Sic Puppy you and I must have similar tastes: I'm also looking at an X-treme (Rubicon: identical components to your Sedona but standard rise not mid-rise) and an M2S: probably the mid-drive full suspension, but maybe your full suspension hub drive. Couple questions for you: 1) Did you try 2...

Looking at the less expensive 350w bike, but looking to eventually upgrade that 350w motor to at least the bafang M600 500w mid-drive that's used in the bike you posted. Do you know if that upgrade at least would be possible? I see "mid-drive kits" for BBS**, but you're saying they won't fit in...

I'm thinking with a tube at the heart of it, might not. I also ride full suspension so think that might help mitigate potentially feeling more of the road. Mainly I'm wondering if there might be any issues with that much more mass rotating. But probably less mass than solid tires and...

I'm looking at getting my first ebike, and leaning toward an M2S or VoltBike model, both designed around a bafang 350w mid-drive. I want torque sensing, but ideally would like a throttle as well, which these don't come with. (I also looked at Juiced torque-sensing hub drives, but have read on...

Does anyone else use multiple tires, layered, to avoid flats? I've never tried it, but saw when joining this forum that someone is using a 3 over a 2.5 over a 2.1 tire & tube on a fat rim. That's got to make for some heavy ass wheels, but says he hasn't had a flat or even low air(!) in ~7500...