2025 Vuelta a Espana

I loved The Least Expected Day series. You can now find edited highlighted similars for many of the teams online. I wonder if we imbibe too much into our cycling superstars…Jonas had nothing to give today, yet despite not being able to overtake Joao in his pomp, lost only 4s, and retains 46s…he did enough, yet we expected more. If he needs to chat with his wife after the stage - who are we to argue with that? I wonder if the issue is Pogi. Alien/superhuman, raising the bar to an unbelievable high, yet removing the humanity from his wins? Seeing Pidcock drop Jonas, and today Joao beat him in a straight shootout, just makes these superhumans - more human?
 
I loved The Least Expected Day series. You can now find edited highlighted similars for many of the teams online. I wonder if we imbibe too much into our cycling superstars…Jonas had nothing to give today, yet despite not being able to overtake Joao in his pomp, lost only 4s, and retains 46s…he did enough, yet we expected more. If he needs to chat with his wife after the stage - who are we to argue with that? I wonder if the issue is Pogi. Alien/superhuman, raising the bar to an unbelievable high, yet removing the humanity from his wins? Seeing Pidcock drop Jonas, and today Joao beat him in a straight shootout, just makes these superhumans - more human?
That's a very good point. When Jonas came along fresh from his market fish stall job(!) he was the great white hope of anyone, anyone being able to beat this extraordinary Pog. And this was in that frenzy where teams bought and bought every promising 21 year old on the planet in the hope of finding their own Pog. (Looking at you Ineos) For Jonas the pressure of being the only one who went toe to toe and beat him must be immense. And I guess before that crash I thought it looked 50 50 between them both with third place far behind in each grand tour. Now sadly for Jonas I don't know if he's on that level. I know we have over a week to go and a lot of big mountains left but I suspect Jonas thought he would have a bigger lead by now, that this wouldn't be as difficult (weakest of the grand tours etc). The post Tour fatigue might be hitting him hard. As an aside and as a fairly well built specimen myself, between Pog and Jonas, Jonas really looks feckin' emaciated! You'd think he'd get the bonk just by looking at the bike. Where he gets the stamina from I just don't know.
 
Jonas had nothing to give today, yet despite not being able to overtake Joao in his pomp, lost only 4s, and retains 46s…he did enough, yet we expected more.

Hear, hear!

Besides, lots of racing left. Maybe today was what a Vingegaard bad day looks like these days. For whatever reason, lots of Vuelta riders seem to be yo-yoing.
 
Alien/superhuman, raising the bar to an unbelievable high, yet removing the humanity from his wins? Seeing Pidcock drop Jonas, and today Joao beat him in a straight shootout, just makes these superhumans - more human?
Posted this before. Heard while watching the final stage of the 2025 TdF in Paris. Bob Roll notices a change in Pogi.

Roll: Good to see Tadej looking a little tired today. Proves he's human after all.

Ligget: None of these guys are human.
 
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That was some great racing today. The majority of the teams in the GC battle came to race, and put time on their close rivals. Kudos for Soler to see the opportunity with his team on board. A great stage win for him. Visma did a better job for Jonas than yesterday, although I was waiting for the attacks to start, and they never came. Watching Jonas come around Almeida at the finish was encouraging to me. I needed to see that. No matter what Bob Roll says, he may be racing his way into dominating this race, or maybe not. The issue with Campanaerts was disappointing. I think that I can explain what happened if anyone is interested.

Tomorrow's stage starts with a Category 1 climb. The knives will be out. If there's a time for tactics, this is it.
 
The issue with Campanaerts was disappointing. I think that I can explain what happened if anyone is interested.
Please do.

The way Almeida and Jonas rode today — just the minimum effort to stay safe and guard GC standings — makes some sense if they're saving some legs for tomorrow.
 
Both looked spent to me at the line. Sepp and Mateo looked like they were as well.

OK, Campanaerts. This is going to be lengthy, as you need to understand who does what in the peloton in terms of supporting the riders. This is from the Grand Tour perspective.

When the field is all together, the peloton has neutral support ahead of the field, and also behind. Usually it's four cars total, but it could be more or less. They have generic neutral bikes on the roof as well as wheels and mechanics inside. The bikes on the roof are arranged large on the inside, small on the outside, and the groups are separated by pedal type. The mechanic has a list posted on the dash with a diagram of what's above him, and the numbers of the riders associated with each bike. Team cars have a similar setup, but it's specific to their riders. Riders have a spare bike set up for them on the roof, plus the wheels and mechanics. However, the team is larger than the number of bikes on the roof of one vehicle, and some riders are more important than others. Thus, a rider needing service may have one spare bike on a specific team car, and nowhere else.

So why can't the team car with Campanaerts bike just blast up the opposite lane and get up to him and fix it? Because that's not how it works. The movement of motor vehicles is controlled by a race official called the regulator. They are on a motorcycle, and wear a red jumpsuit with REGULATOR on the back. Nothing moves without the regulator's approval, except for media. Their job is to know the gaps between riders, and only allow the appropriate support vehicles in the gap. The regulator has no idea where the spare bike for any rider is unless he/she is told by a team manager. They make the request for vehicle movement from the regulator over the radio.

In Grand Tour support vehicles, there are at least four radio channels being used simultaneously:

Radio Tour - the race channel that's constantly broadcasting the race situation to the media. Who is up the road, what the gaps are, etc.
Commissaire - this is the race official's channel
Race Radio - this is the race director's channel
Medical - this channel is reserved for medical personnel

All four of these channels can be broadcasting at the same time, all talking at the same time. It's radio chaos, but you get used to it.

Back to the race situation. There was a very large breakaway up the road, maybe 25-30 riders? I didn't count, but it wasn't a half dozen. The gap was somewhere in the 2 minute range. If that meant that 15 or more team cars were needed to support every rider in the break, that's an awful lot of vehicles in front of the field. Getting them into the gap isn't that difficult, but getting them out before a descent can be very difficult, but it's critical for safety. Only motorcycles are allowed at that point, and the fewer, the better. We've all seen riders getting clipped by motorcycles during descents. So, the regulator has to make calculated decisions based on what he knows at the moment.

My take is that the regulator did not want 15+ team cars in a 2 minute gap at that point in the race. Once Campanaerts fell off the back of the break on his neutral bike, he could send up the appropriate team car with his spare. I didn't see if there were team cars behind the break at that point. But where was the team car that had his spare bike? I saw Campanaerts talking to the regulator on the descent, so who knows what was said. At that point, he wasn't going to get back into the break. Where was his primary bike? On the roof of one of the neutral support cars. A total cluster.

This is what should have happened. The team car with Campanaerts' spare bike, and the neutral vehicle with his primary bike, should have requested to run ahead of the break by 2 miles or so and pull over. One mechanic gets the spare off the roof and gives it the once over, and the other gets the primary bike off of the neutral car and fixes it. At 30mph, 2 miles is 4 minutes. That should be time enough to fix the primary, with the spare as a backup. When Campanearts reaches the team car, they do a cyclocross bike swap and the team car paces him for the first few hundred meters to get him up to speed, and then drops back to avoid a penalty.

I don't know what exactly went wrong, or who was primarily at fault. It seems like the whole thing could have been avoided. Hopefully now you understand the organized chaos that is going on inside the peloton, and how one little mistake can be disaster.
 
Thanks for the explanation. I tuned in just after he got his primary bike back and was trying to piece together whether he had 2 mechanicals or no team car or what.

I wonder if they are carrying both aero and climbing spares for Jonas on some of these stages? Seems a lot less common than in the past, no time to swap bikes unless circumstances demand it.

Tomorrows stage should be interesting with a Cat 1 climb at the start and then lumpy/flatish on the back half.
 
Hopefully now you understand the organized chaos that is going on inside the peloton, and how one little mistake can be disaster.

Understand, not quite yet, but boy, talk about complicated! Thanks for the insight.

Campanaerts was quite a snag for Visma. I recall him winning a stage in the 2023 or 2024 TdF and talking to a reporter about having a newborn and no contract. Didn't sound optimistic about his next contract, either.

Now he seems to be one of Visma's most important team members.
 
Just starting the Stage 14 replay. Two things:

1. Nice to see the 4 jerseys yucking it up on the starting line. No posturing, no trash talk, just cordial chats. I love this sport!

2. CVV just said that Almeida averaged 6.5 W/kg over the last 42 minutes of the Angliru climb.
 
Came in at about 50 km to go in today's Stage 15 to find Vine at over 13' ahead of the peloton (with Vingegaard and Almeida) after almost 70 km out front with Vervaeke. WTF?

By 35 km, the lead had grown to 13'33" which I think put Vine into the virtual red jersey. Situation substantially unchanged now at 29 km out.

How on Earth could the peloton allow this??

ADDENDUM: Sorry, misread the GC standings at the end of the previous stage. Vine was actually 1h18' behind Vingegaard at that time. The red jersey was never threatened by either Vine or his chasers.
 
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Visma wants Q35, Bora, and Decathlon to do the work. They are at higher risk of losing GC spots than Visma or UAE. Visma won't let Vine take the jersey.
 
Well, I'll have to see what happened to the red jersey in the highlights, cuz Peacock froze a minute after the finish and is still down. Grrrrr.
 
Visma wants Q35, Bora, and Decathlon to do the work. They are at higher risk of losing GC spots than Visma or UAE. Visma won't let Vine take the jersey.

Well, there's clearly some math I don't understand here. Vine ended the last stage 13'13" behind Vingegaard. He'd gained that and more at 20 km out, and by then, Jonas was over 14' back.

Now Vine's not even in the GC top 10, and Jonas still has the lead. Did Vine lose a ton of time at the end when the coverage was total focused on Pedesen?


BTW, so glad Mads won, and with such panache!

ADDENDUM: Sorry, misread the GC standings at the end of the previous stage. Vine was actually 1h18' behind Vingegaard at that time. The red jersey was never threatened by either Vine or his chasers.
 
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You are confusing stage time differences with GC time differences.

On GC, Jay Vine was 1:17 and change back of Vingegaard at the start of stage 15. He ended up 1:04 and change at the end of stage 15. He made up 13 or so minutes on the leader, but he was already over an hour behind.

Make sense?
 
You are confusing stage time differences with GC time differences.
Yep, I did read the wrong time, but not that one. Learned that lesson a long time ago. But this time, a jersey somehow got selected as well.

On GC, Jay Vine was 1:17 and change back of Vingegaard at the start of stage 15. He ended up 1:04 and change at the end of stage 15. He made up 13 or so minutes on the leader, but he was already over an hour behind.

Make sense?
Perfect sense, and that's how I would've figured it if I hadn't gotten Vine's pre-stage standing wrong.

Funny thing is, made the same mistake again when I went back to double check before my last post. Sorry for the confusion.
 
Today's Stage 16 was a bit of a mess. A break went away early with little reaction from the peloton. Bernal and Landa attacked and stayed out with one rider chasing around 30km from the finish. Jonas had a mechanical and swapped over to a teammate's bike and quickly rejoined the field. Team cars were spread way out due to the narrow roads. The #3 rider, who was chasing the leaders valiantly, got a flat in the last 10K, too far out to get same time. Then Bob and Christian started talking gibberish about changes to the course. It turned out that Palestinian sympathizers had completely taken over the finish area, and the police were doing nothing about it. Race control decided to shorten the stage to the base of the climb, and set up a makeshift finish line with a 10x10 canopy and some duct tape. All this at a Grand Tour. Crazy. No change the top of the GC but some movement below. Jonas finished on the teammate's bike. Sepp and Mateo had no idea that he even took the bike. They were all standing around afterwards joking about it. No podiums.
 
Today's Stage 16 was a bit of a mess.
That's putting it mildly. Not sure how much the police could have done in the Stage 16 finish scenario, where they faced a large number of protesters mixed in with a large number of regular spectators in a relatively confined space.

Race organizers face an impossible situation now. They can't just 3D-print hundreds of extra trained cops to secure even the 27 km time trial. Calling in troops may or may not be an option under Spanish law.

But even with all the cops in the world, the risk of collateral damage to innocent spectators, riders, and the cops themselves in a clash is very high, and the protesters will do everything in their power to insure that.

Suspect at least some of the protesters are armed — with knives if nothing else. They could even have bombs or chemical weapons. The cops have to take all those possibilities into account.
 
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