Eurobike 2026 ebike news

[Rás Cnoic]

From some google research - the TL comes with TRP Hywave electronic shifting and 11 speed TRP new E.A.S.I derailleur, 11-43T cassette. The crankset (38T) (155 for small, 160 for medium/large), cockpit and wheels are all Amflow inhouse. The wheels are heavy duty aluminium (AMFLOW HTA-25 wheelset) both for cargo loads and for pulling the AMFLOW trailer. Maxxis tyres, 27.5 size wheels (but can take 29ers)

That's another factor in price, few third party components, all Chinese or Taiwanese for TRP. Shimano Sram must be watching in total delight...

 

[jabberwocky]

Whereas I'm curious about Avinox, will they ever release a low power, but extremely lightweight system for road and gravel? Currently they are building a number of bikes around the same (or at least two similar versions) motor, with the exception of the new gearbox concept. Nice to see the drop bars and stylistically, they look good on that TL, even if just for Eurobike. Drops make sense for long range trekking.

I wouldnt mind a ~80nm of torque motor as light as they can make it, but the M2 motors aren't that much heavier than lightweight motors from Spec, TQ, etc. Like, the TQ motor Trek uses is just under 2kg, Specs SL 1.2 is about that as well. The Avinox M2 motors are 2.6kg. Its not nothing, but its not a huge weight delta. Most of the weight saving opportunity seems to be in the batteries.

 

[jabberwocky]

Shimano Sram must be watching in total delight...

To be blunt, Shimano and Sram have it coming... The price of mid-high range groupsets have skyrocketed over the past 15 years. They are absolutely primed to have someone come in and eat their lunch.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

I wouldnt mind a ~80nm of torque motor as light as they can make it, but the M2 motors aren't that much heavier than lightweight motors from Spec, TQ, etc. Like, the TQ motor Trek uses is just under 2kg, Specs SL 1.2 is about that as well. The Avinox M2 motors are 2.6kg. Its not nothing, but its not a huge weight delta. Most of the weight saving opportunity seems to be in the batteries.

True that, I forgot it was fairly lightweight already. I still scratch my head when Orbea dumps was it Shimano? for avinox, then does a similar RS firmware restricting the power- I understand it saves battery, full power avinox must eat battery. But why change to avinox in the first place? Because everyone wants avinox? Cheaper motors? Or that lighter weight? Probably all three I suppose.

I get the sense that Shimano may not be making motors for much longer, they've gone very quiet. I really liked the EP6 motor, plenty of power but then I wasn't tearing up techy climbs.

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

Curious, how long have Avinox motors been out in the wild? Do we know anything about reliability or repairability yet? How about efficiency?

 

[stompandgo]

Amflow was "proudly born in 2023", and they were the first to use the Avinox M1 drive system. We have sold them for a bit over a year now, and we've had two broken frames (rear triangle), and some AXS Transmission replacements. I have not heard of a motor failure yet. Avinox is continually updating their firmware, some of it targeted at efficiency. It's hard to quantify real world efficiency (other than manufacturer numbers), but I'm told that they are one of the most efficient systems available.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

Amflow was "proudly born in 2023", and they were the first to use the Avinox M1 drive system. We have sold them for a bit over a year now, and we've had two broken frames (rear triangle), and some AXS Transmission replacements. I have not heard of a motor failure yet. Avinox is continually updating their firmware, some of it targeted at efficiency. It's hard to quantify real world efficiency (other than manufacturer numbers), but I'm told that they are one of the most efficient systems available.

I think the fact they came from drone technology and world leading drone technology at that meant it wasn't like starting from scratch. It was a remarkable launch at Eurobike 24? Maybe 23. And they were well prepared to hit the market with a fully mature system; more powerful, lighter, quiet, full bikes not just new motor and very competitive pricing. That must have been a huge shock to the existing big players.

 

[stompandgo]

We took trade-ins on 6 month old E-MTB's so they could buy an Amflow. Good ones, too.

 

[jabberwocky]

I get the sense that Shimano may not be making motors for much longer, they've gone very quiet. I really liked the EP6 motor, plenty of power but then I wasn't tearing up techy climbs.

Yeah, Shimano hasn't been keeping up. Zero issues with my now 7 year old M8000 emtb though. Keeps ticking along. Shimanos big advantage is they are a huge oem for tons of components so have relationships with lots of bike companies.

Curious, how long have Avinox motors been out in the wild? Do we know anything about reliability or repairability yet? How about efficiency?

On the emtb forums I see a lot of positive experiences and very few reliability issues. The motor system itself seems really solid. No idea on repairability, but I imagine its like all the proprietary systems in that if the motor or controller dies, you go to a dealer and just replace that part.

I have a friend who bought the first Amflow pretty much the day they released. He loves it and has reported no issues over a few years of riding. He sold his Levo a few months after getting it.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

I have a friend who bought the first Amflow pretty much the day they released. He loves it and has reported no issues over a few years of riding. He sold his Levo a few months after getting it.

A couple of years taken literally. Two, precisely. Now, is the warranty over, or?

 

[jabberwocky]

A couple of years taken literally. Two, precisely. Now, is the warranty over, or?

Nobody has long term experience with Avinox/Amflow since they are so new, but I haven't seen any widespread issues reported. Especially with the motor system itself. Guess we will see. We don't have many Avinox people on this forum since its primarily an emtb system, but there are tons of people running them on the EMTB Forums and theres a pretty active Amflow emtb reddit.