The transition

The amount of renewables required to power the world at its present usage are quite simply multiples of anything we could construct without mining asteroids.
There are years of backlog for the transmission equipment required just for data centres.
Europe will need a four times bigger grid, same for America, India Africa.
Another thing crossed my mind today when I was looking a chart of the breakeven period for BEV. They consume vast amounts of FF during their building and then if run on 'renewables' only pay all that back in a number of years. The number has been getting lower and lower, probably due to many factors including cheaper made Chinese cars. It's touted as around 2 years now but it all depends on how you calculate it. Do you use Dollars, or actual carbon energy units? Either way it struck me that it's just another form of debt. Burning years worth of future fossil fuel consumption now instead of as you go along, as in fueling cars.

Of course the same applies to windmills and solar panels, you're borrowing carbon from future consumption to generate power now. IE: Mountains of coal burnt in China to make the stuff along with all the liquid fuels to mine and process. As well as all the earth moving and construction on site where they are erected. I'm a big fan of Solar, my roof is covered in it, but it's obvious that remote 'farms' are not nearly as efficient as point of generation usage. No construction needed, all mains wiring already in place, and the cost and liability is covered by the homeowner. I feel sorry for people in England and Germany etc, those nations went all in and now the citizens are stuck paying back the loans and interest on it all. Plus I wish people would stop referring to these systems as renewable, they are not, my solar panels have been up for years and there are no new little panels sprouting up there. They are rebuildable systems that run on renewable energy and they need replacing every 20 odd years. Once you get that in perspective it changes the equation.
 
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I am not claiming perfection. I am just trying. I gave up driving and flying. I know people who will rince a plastic bag to place it in the recycling, dress in hemp, drive an electric car, and will fly round trip across continents five times per year.
 
Yeah, the meme has colonized their brains.

It all started in the 1970's, there was a huge grassroots movement pressuring corporations to stop or cut back on all that non-recyclable glass and plastic coming in their products. Before that most bottles, like, milk and soda, were returned to the manufacturer for cleaning and reuse, some of us remember those days. And That, was recycling. Not what we do now, convert the plastic bottles into tree ties or crappy garden spades, at great expense. Or send plastic to Asia where they burn half of it to power small industries like tofu manufacture. Anyway the movement became quite pushy and the corporations felt their profits were being threatened, they were switching from glass to plastic bottling and from paper to plastic packaging at the time. So they went to their friends in Government and the Government came out and said "This is deplorable!" "This needs to Stop, Now!" And they gave everyone a recycle bin, basically pushing the problem back onto those who were complaining, and everyone else who wasn't. It didn't cost the corporations a cent but it did add a large expense to the public purse and of course it added a huge new infrastructure network that never existed before. The long extended city recycling chain with it's thousands of diesel burning trucks and all the rest.

What happened before all this? The drink truck would offload it's crates of full bottles and cart back the crates of empty ones for cleaning and reuse. At shops, but mostly at your door, home delivered soda ok. The milk van likewise, at your door. Bread and even fruit and Veg came to the door. ONE small fleet of vehicles servicing hundreds of households instead of HUNDREDS of vehicles all going to the supermarket every 3 to 4 days. Think about that for a moment... Imagine the fuel savings.

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But guess what? This sort of recycling doesn't fit the corporate supermarket model and corporations were taking over retail food from all the small business and driving them out. Corps don't want thousands of empty bottles piling up out back. As a Bonus soda sales went through the roof once mom could easily cart four 2-liter plastic bottles of drink home with no fear of having broken glass everywhere if they got dropped. People now buy their vegetables pre-cut and along with their meat it comes piled on styrafoam trays wrapped in plastic. The butcher used to wrap it all in paper, the meat wasn't full of water back then, it didn't leak all over the place. Anyone ever remember the big stink 40 odd years ago over McDonalds styrafoam packaging? So it never went away lol lol.
Meat is often injected with a saltwater, broth, or phosphate solution—a process called "plumping" or "moisture-infusing." While producers claim this tenderizes the meat and keeps it juicy, it also increases the product's weight.

So please don't talk to me about recycling unless it's lead acid batteries or copper pipe. The whole modern recycling thing is just a scam to keep people believing 'they' are making a difference while companies flood the World with ever more waste packaging. Here they used to sent the plastics collected to China but since China no longer accepts them, it mostly goes into the local landfills. But the second bin is still collected every week, and idiots are still washing their milk bottles out. No one sent them the memo. If you want to do something for the planet then boycott the supermarket and box store chains. But it's too late now anyway, the freight train is up to speed and the corner is approaching.

Brisbane city council: Glass from Brisbane's yellow-lid recycling bins is taken to Visy’s Material Recovery Facility (MRF) on Gibson Island, where it is sorted, crushed, and distributed. It is primarily transformed into new glass bottles and jars or ground into sand substitutes for construction and roadbase

Grind glass back into sand? Sounds expensive doesn't it.
Globally, only about 9% of plastic waste is successfully recycled. The remaining 91% is either sent to landfills, burned, or leaked into the environment as pollution.
 
that’s a lot of words to state a simple truth : re-using is always better than re-cycling, which is almost always better than discarding. and people prefer choice - the old school milk delivery model only really works if most people drink mostly the same thing at a regular rate. count the number of beverage choices at the supermarket….

recyling works extremely well for some things, like aluminum. vastly more energy efficient to recycle than to make new, to the point that the content of most aluminum cans is mostly recycled. plastics don’t work nearly as well.
 
my mother washes her soup tins, she runs the tap till the boiler gets to temp, uses soap and cleans them for a good minute , one at a time as well as she uses them.
Im like...but...
 
I believe that cardboard is another thing that makes a lot of sense to recycle. What makes no sense to me is encouraging recycling drink containers by charging a deposit per container. It has led to a mishmash of rules and restrictions that don't work, and they still end up on my tree belt all year long. In MA, soda and beer have a charge, but wine and non-carbonated drinks do not. Stores that sell deposit products are required to accept them for returns, and most use automated machines that scan each container. Stores put in rules that you can only recycle containers if you bought the product there, which generates trash or generic recyclable material. If I'm swinging by a store on the way home, taking a route that I don't always take, I have to make a point to go that way again sometime. I don't want to be driving all over town just to bring back returns. It's more wasteful than throwing them away. Stores that sell variety packs only scan the barcode on the box for the machine, not the containers inside, so that makes the whole contents non-returnable. Finally, nip bottles are probably the most wasteful kind of packaging ever created.

I recycle between 1/2 and 2/3 of our household trash. I'm fine with it. I just wish there wasn't so much of it to begin with.
 
What makes no sense to me is encouraging recycling drink containers by charging a deposit per container
Deposits are a value to the economy. We had tenants (40 years ago) that reliably got $ to pay rent by picking up cans in the park on weekends.

We used to pay for gas to visit my brother in MI by returning IA cans when we got there (.05 vs .10); gas was cheaper then.
 
that’s a lot of words to state a simple truth : re-using is always better than re-cycling, which is almost always better than discarding.
Well actually I said a bit more than that, I explained why most household recycling is a con job. But 55 years of propaganda and bottle washing has buried that simple truth. I don't buy much soda but it's always 10 packs of ally cans, never plastic bottles. My neighbor takes the empties and adds them to others she collects and they eventually get recycled into new cans.
 
There is an elderly lady that shows up at least once a day to go through the dumpsters at my work apartment looking for recyclable bottles. There is a separate dumpster for recyclables, but she goes through the regular garbage too. Sad, but I guess it helps those on fixed income living in a very high cost of living area.
 
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