Three Reasons Why Pets In North America May Get Better Medical Care Than Their Owners Do

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#1. Vet medical school has higher entry standards than human medical school
#2. Human medical science is not a science, whereas veterinary medical science is a science
#3. Pets are assumed to perhaps have various treatable parasites and so are regularly dosed or examined, humans are not
 
#5 Where I live (Canada) I can get my dog in to see our Vet within a day or two. With my nurse practitioner (almost zero chance of getting a doctor where I live) it takes at least a week to get in to see her.
 
#5 Where I live (Canada) I can get my dog in to see our Vet within a day or two. With my nurse practitioner (almost zero chance of getting a doctor where I live) it takes at least a week to get in to see her.
That sucks. My daughter gets her dog in same day. If triage nurse says so, I'm in to see Dr within hours; but they know I don't call for no good reason. I plan "normal care" visits a month in advance.
 
That sucks. My daughter gets her dog in same day. If triage nurse says so, I'm in to see Dr within hours; but they know I don't call for no good reason. I plan "normal care" visits a month in advance.
It's no wonder. In Ontario:
"Example 1: Fee for service billing
For decades, "fee for service" has been the traditional way that doctors bill OHIP for their services. Under this model, a doctor is paid a specific amount of money for a specific type of visit or procedure. For example, for a "minor assessment" such as a simple rash or skin spot, the physician would submit a bill to OHIP with the code A001 attached to it. They would then be paid the corresponding $21.70 in return. If a doctor stitches up someone's cut arm, she submits a bill for a code Z176 to OHIP, which pays the doctor $20.00 in addition to the assessment payment. A full list of services and payments can be found in this document from the Ministry of Health and Long Term Care.
There have been some further reductions since Dr. Whatley's blogs in 2015, though, and the payment figures in the link above aren't the most current numbers. The Ontario government unilaterally imposed cuts to physicians' payments a few years back — so, for instance, instead of being paid $33.70 for a typical visit (code A007 for an "intermediate assessment"), a family doctor is now paid $32.64.
Let us explore this further. Imagine a patient visits her family doctor for belly pain (for which the family physician would bill the most common code, A007, as noted above). Here are all the steps that are involved in such an assessment:

  • Patient calls the doctor's office to book an appointment. (Remember: telephone lines and reception staff cost time and money, all paid by the doctor.)
  • Patient visits the office, checks in with reception staff, is taken to exam room and prepared for the visit. (Again, staff are all paid by the doctor. Clinic rent, electricity, medical tools, equipment, etc. are all paid for by the doctor.)
  • The doctor assesses the patient. (Remember: the doctor went to school for 10 or more years of education and training after high school in order to earn the expertise to care for her patients, not to mention the years of experience she has gained since.)
  • The doctor orders blood work and an ultrasound in order to help diagnose the cause the of patient's belly pain. (To do this, the doctor needs to complete the appropriate paperwork to order the tests. All of this takes time, computer costs, faxing and/or telephone costs and more staff time.)
  • The doctor may need to write a prescription for medications for the patient. (This takes time and expense of either paper or fax for the prescription.)
  • The doctor needs to write a detailed note in the patient's chart to document the visit. (This takes more time and computer costs.)
  • When the test results come back for the blood work, the doctor's staff receives them and puts them in the patient's chart, and then the doctor reviews them. (This takes staff time and doctor time.)
  • When the ultrasound result is received, the staff puts the report in the patient's chart and then the doctor reviews the results. (This takes staff and doctor time.)
  • The doctor then either calls the patient with the results or has her staff call the patient with results. (Again, this all takes doctor time, staff time and telephone costs, all paid by the doctor.)
For all of this time, cost and expertise, the family doctor is paid a total of $32.62 (but not quite, as she still has to pay taxes on income earned. Once corporate tax (if applicable) and personal income taxes are applied, the doctor only takes home as little as 54 per cent of the remaining profit).
Furthermore, the family doctor can only bill OHIP for one issue per day. So, if the patient also asks about an unrelated rash, or blood pressure control, or any other issue in that same visit, the doctor can still only bill that same $32.62.

Example 2: Capitated billing​

In recent years, most family doctors are now paid for their services via "capitated" payment models. In a family health organization (FHO) model, a family doctor is basically paid a flat rate for looking after a patient for a year. This flat rate includes a specific list of services as well as some additional bonuses and incentives.
The amount of the flat rate varies depending on the age and sex of the patient. In my experience, a doctor is paid about $80 per year to look after a 20-year-old male patient, whereas she is paid about $440 per year to look after an 80-year-old female. On average, for the entire population, this works out to about $200 per year ($16.67 per month) per patient. This is a flat rate payment regardless of whether a patient visits the doctor twice — versus 10, 20 or even more times per year.
Sounds like a bargain — not to mention unsustainably undervalued.
In return for this total flat rate payment of $200 per average patient per year, the family doctor agrees to provide a list of 130 services. The extensive list these services can be found here in "Appendix A" (page 37 of 54).
Every single one of these visits, procedures and services requires staff time, doctor time and overhead costs, including the costs to buy all of the medical supplies and equipment. (Just as one example, it is worth noting that the supplies, nursing time and staff time required to perform a skin biopsy amounts to a total cost of $20 each).
In addition to the flat rate payment, the doctor may also earn an additional 15 per cent of the traditional fee for service payment. This is also known as "shadow billing." Using the most common example of a general assessment by a family doctor, the doctor would be paid a mere additional $4.90 (15 per cent of $32.64) for the visit."

 
"The provincial government says a full-time family doctor will be paid about $385,000 a year, up from the current $250,000, under the new three-year Physician Master Agreement reached with Doctors of B.C. last week. "
So with all office and staff costs and education costs and insurance costs, and equipment costs, and so on, they were making as much as a school teacher who "works" a 5 hour day for part of the year, indoctrinating wokeness. That's how much socialists comparatively value medical doctors' work
 
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vets are retiring and quitting too. out clinic just lost two this month. a lot of clinics are not taking new animals.
 
Pets often receive top-notch medical care for a few reasons: vet schools' rigorous entry standards, the scientific foundation of veterinary medicine, and proactive parasite treatment. While it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, it's a reminder of the importance of thorough healthcare for both our furry friends and ourselves.
 
I don't agree with that statement. We had different experiences with the vet. Our Border Collie started to have skin issues when he was two, and for half a year, our vet wasn't able to do anything. Only the third vet prescribed us to order apoquel for dogs canada . It's disheartening when our pets face health challenges, and finding the right solution can be a journey. If anyone has experiences with navigating health issues with their pets or insights on using Apoquel, I'd appreciate any advice. The well-being of our furry friends is always a top priority, and hearing diverse perspectives can be helpful for responsible pet care
 
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#2. Human medical science is not a science, whereas veterinary medical science is a science
Speaking of science, what's your evidence for that statement??

I have a BS in physics, an MD degree, board certification in diagnostic radiology, a fellowship in neuroradiology, 20+ years in practice, and 5 years of graduate work in geoscience. I know what science is, and I can assure you that human medicine is firmly rooted in science.
 
The Greeks loved science so much that conducting an experiment was a capital offense. Science meant congratulating each other on what they agreed that they knew, and an experimenter was concerned with what they didn't really know.

About 1920, medical science agreed that ergocalciferol must be Vitamin D because it would prevent rickets. People on ergocalciferol supplements continued to die like flies. Eventually, GPs reported anecdotally that ergocalciferol didn't correct a deficiency, but it was 75 years before anybody proved it with an experiment. Quack quack.
 
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Speaking of science, what's your evidence for that statement??

I have a BS in physics, an MD degree, board certification in diagnostic radiology, a fellowship in neuroradiology, 20+ years in practice, and 5 years of graduate work in geoscience. I know what science is, and I can assure you that human medicine is firmly rooted in science.

25 years ago I was sitting in the bush with a group of dirtbike riders . We'd run out of ways to exaggerate the days exploits, so conversation returned to normal social stuff - eg " what do you do"

First guy was an interventional nuero radiologist! Would you believe most of the people there knew exactly what that was - just your generic brain surgeon rocket scientist plumber
 
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Socks, our adopted kitty cat, cost up just under $400 today. Turns out Socks is a girl. Next up, boosters and get her fixed. Vet said she is totally healthy. Now my rotten cats need to allow her inside the house! Yarg chased Socks and was growling like a dog!
 
Socks, our adopted kitty cat, cost up just under $400 today. Turns out Socks is a girl. Next up, boosters and get her fixed. Vet said she is totally healthy. Now my rotten cats need to allow her inside the house! Yarg chased Socks and was growling like a dog!
my kittys get treated well,they even get to sleep with me and use my bedroom window for the "sallyport".
 
My cat was a stray kitten that came with fleas, ear mites and intestinal worms when I got her.

She was too young for flea treatments so I had to give her a flea bath every few days and clean her ears with Q-tips and mineral oil until she was 12 weeks old, then I could give her medicine.

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She could fly if she flapped her ears fast enough. 😂
 
My cat was a stray kitten that came with fleas, ear mites and intestinal worms when I got her.

She was too young for flea treatments so I had to give her a flea bath every few days and clean her ears with Q-tips and mineral oil until she was 12 weeks old, then I could give her medicine.

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She could fly if she flapped her ears fast enough. 😂
You're a Mother Teresa! Have lots of PTSD around trying to give cats baths.
 
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You're a Mothet Teresa! Have lots of PTSD around trying to give cats baths.

I found an easy way to wash a cat.

Pour shampoo in the toilet, add cat and close the lid.
Wait two minutes, flush twice to rinse and you're done !! 😂


Actually, she was really good about being washed in the sink.
She was clawing and scratching to get out, but she didn't dig her claws into me.
I think she knew that I was trying to help?
 
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